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Why Doesn't The "World's Smartest Woman" Have Her Husband In A Better Hospital?

Posted on 09/03/2004 8:58:24 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul

This is a serious thread, I am not joking about this issue.

I was talking to a very respected surgeon earlier tonight, and that was their question to me.

Columbia is a teaching hospital, the surgeons don't get as much experience, they have to also teach. Plus even among the City's teaching hosiptals, it's not the best.

So why Columbia?


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To: Doctor Raoul

That is a good question, but it could be because this is a ruse to allow Bill and Hillary not to have to campaign for John Kerry as his campaign implodes.


41 posted on 09/03/2004 9:15:57 PM PDT by Lunkhead_01
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To: Doctor Raoul
Clinton should be at the Cleveland Clinic in Cleveland, OH. It's the BEST CARDIAC HOSPITAL IN THE USA, MAYBE EVEN THE WORLD!

From experience with my husband, if you need bypass surgery time is not on your side, regardless of how many plavax and blood thinners they give him. Unless, of course he has some serious health problem otherwise that they need to stabilize him.

As for Hillary, maybe she just doesn't give a hoot! Figures it's payback time and if Kerry's health prevents him from running, then without Bill she could capitalize on the sympathy vote ala Jean Caranahan from Missouri.

Too bad Buddy passed away. It seems to me he is the only one in the Clinton family that would give the guy unconditional love, except of course, our loving God.

I'm sending him a get well card. Whether your a janitor or a President, bypass surgery is no picnic and recovery can be very physiologically brutal, especially if you've been an active guy like Clinton.
42 posted on 09/03/2004 9:16:36 PM PDT by not2worry
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To: Doctor Raoul

As long as its not Jamaica hospital.


43 posted on 09/03/2004 9:16:41 PM PDT by Rome2000 (The ENEMY for Kerry!!!!!)
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To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment
Shouldn't Clinton have a surgical staff that looks like America?

Yes, and maybe he does. There's still the nurses and the orderlies. The diversity check isn't finished until the whole health delivery system is audited.

44 posted on 09/03/2004 9:17:23 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Doctor Raoul

The best hospitals in the country are teaching hospitals. Look them up. Whenever there's an article on how to choose the best hospital, it always recommended to use a teaching hospital. But you do want to avoid surgery in the fall at the beginning of the school year, if possible.


45 posted on 09/03/2004 9:17:46 PM PDT by nuconvert (Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

She's willing to risk it....


46 posted on 09/03/2004 9:18:23 PM PDT by The Wizard (DemonRATS: enemies of America)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Did you hear Hillary try and politicize the slickster's heart problems at her press conference on Friday??

At the very end she said, "Thank God we are lucky enough to have affordable health insurance. Not everyone in this society is able to ...."

Or something along those lines. Then she turned and waddled into the hospital. I almost puked. She can't even put her money train hubby on the operating table without turning it into a political attack on the GOP.


47 posted on 09/03/2004 9:18:26 PM PDT by Edit35
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To: bigbob

Could have a point. This might be something totally different than a triple bipass.

Cocaine or Drug overdose? I know it sounds far fetched but these people do will lie about anything.


48 posted on 09/03/2004 9:18:45 PM PDT by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: Doctor Raoul

Per the USNews rankings, Columbia is not in the top 50 heart and heart surgery hospitals. On the other hand, given the patient in question, the choice - if it was her's - certainly does not call into question either the intelligence or ambition of the junior Senator from New York.


49 posted on 09/03/2004 9:19:00 PM PDT by mdefranc
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Nurses and orderlies don't count. If there's a group is under-represented, it's proof that there's discrimination. If there's over-representation, it's proof there's a GLASS CEILING. If they are precisely represented, it's proof there are quotas.


50 posted on 09/03/2004 9:19:50 PM PDT by VisualizeSmallerGovernment (Question Liberal Authority)
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To: microgood
Actually read some on this today and sometimes it can be sudden even with regular checkups because the plaque in the arteries can just break off the lining and start causing blockages.

One of the reporters on MSNBC was talking about what medication bubba has been on and he mentioned Plavix which means that he has known for a while that he has blockage.
51 posted on 09/03/2004 9:20:14 PM PDT by boxerblues
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To: ladyinred

Of course SHE's got excellent health insurance. And I know she just feels the pain of those that don't. But a nationwide healthcare that would tax us into oblivion isn't the answer either. The minute you start mandating things be covered then the price goes up. It's Economics 201.


52 posted on 09/03/2004 9:20:20 PM PDT by writer33 (Try this link: http://www.whiskeycreekpress.com/books/electivedecisions.shtml)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Well, don't look at Hillary for an answer. She needs one more good campaign out of the bent one before she puts him out to pasture with a lifetime supply of bimbos, burgers and his very own titty bar.


53 posted on 09/03/2004 9:20:56 PM PDT by kylaka
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To: Doctor Raoul
Why are they waiting til Monday for the surgery?
Because the chief surgeon had his holiday weekend already booked.
54 posted on 09/03/2004 9:21:24 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt; Prime Choice
Why are they waiting til Monday for the surgery?

One report I heard was that they probably had him on a powerful blood thinner (Plavix) and it takes a few days to wear off.

55 posted on 09/03/2004 9:23:04 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Doctor Raoul

Because they're too anti-Semitic to go to Beth Israel?


56 posted on 09/03/2004 9:23:07 PM PDT by thoughtomator ("With 64 days left, John Kerry still has time to change his mind 4 or 5 more times" - Rudy Giuliani)
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To: JLS

Some points:

1. There is nothing wrong with Columbia-Presbyterian. It is a good, no make that very good, hospital.

2. Why wait till Monday? There may be a host of reasons, among them:

- It does not seem that this is an emergency...if they are waiting until Monday, he is stable;

- Perhaps they are bringing in their own selected surgeon, and if so, I bet they're bringing in their own support staff too. This takes some coordination. Every heart program does not do things "the same". A heart team is a complex organization of individuals and processes, and familiarity with routine is sacrosanct.

- While the media is reporting that he did not, in fact, have a heart attack...maybe he did to some degree. If so, and if there is no ongoing ischemia, allowing the heart some time to "recover" from the insult before the surgery would be beneficial. A CABG in the acute stage of stunned myocardium after an MI is only done in emergent situations.

3. There are more issues too with regard to security, Physician and health-care provider screening, public relations etc...face it, this is a former POTUS were talking about here. There may even be family issues...who knows.

4. And, whoever mentioned that Clinton needs to be watchful to not contract meningitis while in the hospital, I hope they were kidding.


57 posted on 09/03/2004 9:23:36 PM PDT by Ethrane ("semper consolar")
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To: writer33

I just hope she never gets her hands on health care again!


58 posted on 09/03/2004 9:23:47 PM PDT by ladyinred (John Kerry reporting for "SPITBALL" duty!)
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To: BJungNan

Heart cases don't wait in the emergency room, even when they're without insurance. I have had heart surgery four times, I speak from experience. Some of those times, I had excellent insurance, and some times none at all, and no money to pay. All they care about with heart patients is keeping them alive, getting them stable, and getting them fixed up. They let the bean counters worry about collecting the fee.

Having chest pains? Going through a rough patch in life? Doesn't matter. America's medical system has always shown me it's best side. If I manage to die a millionaire, my inheritance is going to go to building a hospital for heart surgeons to learn in. I cannot say enough good about them.


59 posted on 09/03/2004 9:23:56 PM PDT by Riley (Need an experienced computer tech in the DC Metro area? I'm looking. Freepmail for details.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

Columbia has some of the best cardiac surgeons in the world and is among the finest hospitals anywhere.


60 posted on 09/03/2004 9:23:56 PM PDT by bushrocks04
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