Battle Between Bubbles Might Have Started Evolution

Howard Hughes Medical Institute via AScribe Newswire ^ | 02 September 2004 | Staff

[PatrickHenry]

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[PatrickHenry]

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[ikka]

THIS is science? May have, might have, etc...

[razoroccam]

"When the scientists mixed the two vesicles, they observed that the ones with sucrose - in which there was greater membrane tension - did, indeed, grow by drawing membrane material from those without sucrose"

Sucrose = sugars. So finally I understand Atkins diet. No sugar, no bloat.

[harrycarey]

[UncleSamUSA]

"fatty bubbles" with genetic materials but no brains...

Oh, you mean Michael Moore....

[Red Badger]

Two fatty bubbles?....

[Red Badger]

Don Ho: Fatty Bubbles.......

[azhenfud]

"Bubbles"? Someone's been staring horizontally at the bottom of their brewsky glass for too long.

[Red Badger]

A central question in evolution is how simple versions of these cells, or vesicles, first arose and began the process of competition that drove the evolution of life.

God knows......

[stremba]

Yes that is science. Scientific theories are always qualified like this because at any time, even a theory that has been accepted for hundreds of years can be shown to be incorrect. (Ask Isaac Newton about this, for example). Furthermore, no amount of evidence can prove a scientific theory correct. Science is always speculative to some degree.

[horatio]

Yes, this is how science works. Theories are proposed, bandied about, gaps are filled in or not. Over time, theses are tested and either supported or abandoned.

The fact that we are seeing the early stages of the process here, with speculation and conjecture, does not diminish the method.

[Hoodlum91]

"Howard Hughes Medical Institute researchers are proposing that the first battle for survival-of-the-fittest might have played out as a simple physical duel between fatty bubbles stuffed with genetic material"

But war never solved anything

[WKB]

THIS is science? May have, might have, etc...


How about "In the beginning God"

[pabianice]

You mean that "Star Trek: The Next Generation" episode was right?

[VadeRetro]

So what? We still don't know exactly exactly exactly how you get life from non-life. That's proof that there's no way. And even when we think we know a way, we won't have proof. And even if we demonstrate it, all we have demonstrated is Design. Therefore it didn't happen that way.

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[pollwatcher]

Forgive my lack of knowledge here. My problem is understanding how, or even why, "bubbles" would, uh, "feel the urge" to compete.

In a strictly mechanistic viewpoint of the universe, why is there any reason for increasing order and complexity than there is for total disorder, entropy and decay after the "Big Bang?"

Why would a very particular chain of organic molecues feel "compelled," or even bother "trying," to reproduce itself? Why would a molecue "care" about "game theory?"

The only "materialist" answer I can imagine is that there is something very "special" about DNA that defies explanation by valances, or chemical and attractive forces.

[four more in O 4]

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fatty bubbles stuffed with genetic material
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Anyone want to make a guess as to how in the world these bubbles got stuffed with "genetic" material?

Without Creation there can be no evolution.

Dorks.

[horatio]

So why do so many Christians have this irrational fear of evolution? That never made any sense to me.

Dorks.

[PatrickHenry]

So what? We still don't know exactly exactly exactly how you get life from non-life.

Yes. Those Satanic, Darwinite fools know nothing. Nothing at all. They call themselves "scientists" but they are blinded by their faith. Until they can re-create the whole universe in a lab, and then the solar system, and then the entire range of life on earth, and finally man, they haven't shown me anything. And they never will show me anything. Nothing will ever convince me that they know what they're talking about.
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