Odd ... I don't remember the war stopping when all our troops pulled out.
Posted on 08/26/2004 6:40:56 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
I am watching Hannity give this sKerry apologist say that stopping the war is something to be proud of.
Yet, nothing is mentioned about the true results of our defeat.
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't millions die in Nam and Cambodia because of our premature withdrawal?
Indeed they did. And of course, with Kerry's timeline for Iraq, we could expect the same there if he were to be elected.
Kerry titles his book "Tour of Duty" for his service in Vietnam. He also claims that he had TWO tours of duty in Vietnam (because of his time on the USS Gridley).
John Kerry was in Vietnam (for 4 months) and yes he was on the deep-water coast of Vietnam on the USS Gridley (for a few weeks), but he did not serve a tour in Vietnam.
A Tour in the Nam was 12 months, one year, 365 days, one trip around the sun. Guys would count down the days until their time was up. It was a big deal. When you only had a few weeks to go until your 12 months was up, you were "SHORT", going home soon. When you broke 100 days you were a “Double Digit”. A “Single Digit” Vet (less than 10 days to go) could be found in his hooch packing.
This issue is important for this reason. John Kerry knows that he didn't serve a Tour, let alone TWO Tours, in Vietnam yet he brazenly reports that he did.
One might argue 'Well, the time that Kerry spent in Nam was HIS tour, so what is the big deal"?
If that is your argument then Kerry should have named his book "My Time in Nam" or something. Not give the impression that he spent a tour in Nam. AND, there is NO excuse for his claim for TWO TOURS in Nam. It is John Kerry spinning the truth to make himself something that he is not.
As far as Unfit for Command is concerned, I have read it. The Swifties could care less if John Kerry got medals, their issue is the same as what I explained above (and the fact that Kerry smeared their good name with his lies) and that is that Kerry diverts from the truth to make himself into something that he is not so much, that he cannot be trusted.
Kerry embellished his After Action Reports to get medals that he didn’t deserve. He fabricated accusations when he came back from Vietnam when he spoke before the Senate Intelligence Committee when he said that his fellow Vietnam Veterans committed atrocities. He has never provided any proof that his accusations were true, and in fact now admits that his accusations were “over the top”. Over the top? They were untrue! And his falsifications harmed POW’s, their families, and Vietnam Veterans in general.
POW’s who were in North Vietnam prison camps when Kerry was telling his fabricated stories to the Senate and the American public to bolster his political ambitions were tortured and threatened to be placed on trial as “War Criminals”. POW’s were told by their captors “You will never go home” because of Kerry’s fabrications. Kerry’s untrue accusations are unforgivable.
General Vo Nguyen Gaip , the Commanding officer of the North Vietnamese Military and Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975 both claim that North Vietnam was poised to negotiate a surrender because of the Communist’s military failures during the 1968 Tet Offensive and thereafter. But because of the Anti-War movement in America (led by Jane Fonda and John Kerry) they felt that the Demonstrations “gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses."
America was kicking the Communist’s butt in every battle. General Westmoreland had the Communist’s number and was winning the war. America’s pullout of Vietnam was due to Kerry and his group of Demonstrators. Kerry’s ant-war activities played a very significant part in causing America to lose the war in Vietnam.
Because of John Kerry and others like him there are more names on the Vietnam Memorial in Washington D. C. than there otherwise would have been. There was also the slaughter of 3.5 million South Vietnamese, Laotians, and Cambodians when America pulled out that is significantly attributable to John Kerry and his now admittedly “over the top” accusations. John Kerry has blood dripping from his untrue accusations.
When I returned home to Los Angeles from Vietnam in 1971 my head was spinning as I walked through the Terminal at LAX, thinking about the culture of war that I had just left while looking around at the opulence in America. When I stepped outside onto the sidewalk a group of “Longhairs” walked by and one of them spat on me while the others called me a “Baby Killer”. I feel that the treatment that I received, and have lived with for the past 33 years, was due to John Kerry and his lies.
John Kerry does not have the moral integrity, honesty, or judgment to be the Commander-In-Chief of the world’s most powerful military. John Kerry IS, unfit for command.
Vietnam Veteran
Mekong Delta 1970-1971
Yup ... millions .. this guy should be real proud! NOT. Obviously, these guys have to be in a severe case of denial. It's sort of like germans that insist the holocaust never happened. For them to admit it would mean too much. The same is the case here. If any vietnam war protestor admitted to the truth, i.e. the real price that was paid for the premature ending of this war, they would probably have to be locked up to prevent them from commiting suicide.
Yes
Actually Kerry Blames the US for the Killing Fields of Cambodia
Thomas -- THE UNITED STATES SHOULD SUPPORT THE TOKYO AGREEMENT ON CAMBODIA (Senate - June 11, 1990)
Kerry: The invasion of Cambodia by the United States, 20 years ago, helped bring the Khmer Rouge to power and turn Cambodia into the killing fields.
The Vietnamese responded to this horror by doing what many in the international community believed was necessary, but were simply unwilling to do. Responding to direct provocation on the part of the Khmer Rouge, they ended the genocide by invading Cambodia. What was our response? Not only did we refuse to deal with the new regime which Hanoi installed, but in a fit of personal pique we organized an international economic boycott of Vietnam and Cambodia and campaigned to have the Khmer Rouge, of all people, retain Cambodia's seat at the United Nations.
There is an extraordinarily sad aspect to this conspiracy between the United States and China to ensure the survival of the Khmer Rouge. It was in reality--when one stripped away the diplomatic camouflage--the weapon by which we continued to fight the Vietnam War long after United States troops had been withdrawn, and the Government of South Vietnam had collapsed.
But our policy in the region has not been just anti-Vietnamese in motivation. It has also been anti-Soviet. Unfortunately, it is predicated today on the same set of assumptions which led us into this unholy alliance with China and the Khmer Rouge more than 10 years ago. The fact is, that even before we departed Vietnam , we struck a deal with the Chinese to contain the Soviet Union in Southeast Asia. And to contain the Soviet Union, Vietnam had to be contained. Tragically, for the people of Cambodia, their country became the battleground for this containment policy--a battleground which became the killing fields.
Yes, and some Vietnamese friends of mine were thrown in 're-education' camp (prison)...
Hannity one ...moronic kerry supporter ZERO. Hope the jerk pays up his $100,000 - but I doubt it.
Wonder who was paying that guy off to defend Kerry. He shouted like a true Dem but didn't say anything.
Sean blew it.
What he should have said is-- If John Kerry is so proud of his antiwar activism, if he believes it was such a bad, immoral war, why is he running on the glory of his participation in that War?
Good point!
Bingo!
Due to post communist purges in Cambodia and Vietnam millions have died along with tens of thousands who've died in refugee camps or at sea trying to flee the communists.
"Correct me if I am wrong but didn't millions die in Nam and Cambodia because of our premature withdrawal?"
Yes, just like the mass graves in Iraq would continue to have new dwellers if we didn't remove the Hussein regime.
That's what the argument is, Hannity should learn how to articulate it. That former VVAw guy would have had no credible answer to that question.
In 1971, John Kerry betrayed his comrades in Vietnam and the POWS in the prison camps.
In 2004, John Kerry has betrayed his comrades in the antiwar movement.
To put it plainly, no one should be pleased with Kerry.
That steamed me but I totally lost it when Colmes refered to kerry as a moderate!!@
You can find a good summary of what these little gems did to Cambodia here.
"The greatest gift our country can give to the Cambodian people is peace, not guns. And the best way to accomplish that goal is by ending military aid now." - Christopher Dodd (D-CT)
Nothing makes me angrier than the media's refusal to connect these dots, even when John Kerry begged them to look at this period of his life as a blueprint for the type of President he would be.
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