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1 posted on 06/23/2004 5:04:14 PM PDT by BriarBey
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To: BriarBey

You'll have to come up with a better source than Michael Weiner.


2 posted on 06/23/2004 5:04:53 PM PDT by Petronski (Ronald Reagan: 1015 electoral votes.)
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To: BriarBey

If you believe that, Bush doesn't need your vote.


3 posted on 06/23/2004 5:05:30 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: BriarBey

Was just listening to that...hope not so. (But he was also talking about dead coffee and I didn't get the whole thing ;) LOL


5 posted on 06/23/2004 5:05:46 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: BriarBey

No way, Jose.


9 posted on 06/23/2004 5:06:57 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod ('I went to Vietnam, yada yada yada, I want to be President...")
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To: BriarBey

So, you'll be voting for Kerry?


10 posted on 06/23/2004 5:07:27 PM PDT by republicandiva (I need the state list back because I'm going "a little bonkers")
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To: BriarBey

Savage is probably FOS (again).


11 posted on 06/23/2004 5:07:48 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.)
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To: BriarBey

Savage is a blowhard.... disregard him


12 posted on 06/23/2004 5:07:56 PM PDT by halley
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To: BriarBey

Savage is a certifiable nut case who should be institutionalized.


13 posted on 06/23/2004 5:07:58 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: BriarBey

I think you either heard this wrong or Savage is off his meds again.


19 posted on 06/23/2004 5:09:19 PM PDT by JennysCool ("I'm not worried about the deficit. It's big enough to take care of itself." - RWR)
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To: BriarBey
I think it has to do with this article/thread:

US withdraws UN measure on immunity for US soldiers

UNITED NATIONS, June 23 (Reuters) - The United States announced on Wednesday it was withdrawing its U.N. Security Council resolution seeking an exemption for U.S. soldiers from the new International Criminal Court because of lack of support.

James Cunningham, the U.S. deputy ambassador, told reporters, "We are dropping action on this resolution."
22 posted on 06/23/2004 5:10:36 PM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: BriarBey
Abu Ghraib Abuse Prosecutions Move Forward
Tuesday, June 22, 2004

BAGHDAD, Iraq — One Virginia-based soldier charged in the Abu Ghraib prison scandal unexpectedly decided Tuesday to go ahead with a hearing without private counsel while the Army scheduled the military equivalent of a grand jury hearing for another.

Staff Sgt. Ivan L. "Chip" Frederick II (search) of Buckingham, Va., decided to proceed with a pretrial hearing on Tuesday, one day after he opted to postpone it because his civilian lawyer, Gary Myers, did not appear in Iraq, Maj. Carolyn Dysart said.

Frederick's military lawyer, Capt. Robert Shuck, said Monday that Myers wanted to participate by telephone because coming to Iraq "places people in peril for their lives."

The judge, Col. James Pohl, angrily dismissed the suggestion, saying that he had received and denied a previous e-mail request from Myers to take part by phone. The judge had postponed the matter until July 23.

Fredeick's wife, Martha Frederick, said in a telephone interview that the swiftly changing developments had her on an emotional roller coaster.

"But I have faith in Captain Shuck and I feel that he will do the best that he can. I know they're being pressured. I just want what's right for Chip," she said.

"I can see now, though, how political this is and I'm sure the rest of the world can see it — that this is a trial based on winning an election. They want to punish these people in front of the Iraqis," Martha Frederick said.

In a related case, Spc. Sabrina Harman (search) of Lorton, Va., was to face an Article 32 hearing, similar to a grand jury in civilian criminal cases, to determine if the 26-year-old will face court martial, the U.S. command said Tuesday.

The session, known as an Article 32 hearing, will determine if the 26-year-old will face court martial.

The session will be held Thursday, a military spokeswoman, Lt. Beatriz Yarrish, said. A military official said the defendant undergoing the hearing was Megan Ambuhl (search), 29, of Centreville, Va., but Yarrish said her Article 32 hearing has aleady been held.

Harman and Frederick are among seven defendants who are accused of abusing prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison, west of Baghdad.

After a pre-trial hearing in Baghdad on Monday, lawyers for two of the defendants said their clients were following orders by senior officers and military intelligence.

Harman, a member of the 372nd Military Police Company (search), is seen in photographs published internationally since the scandal broke smiling over a pile of naked prisoners.


25 posted on 06/23/2004 5:11:30 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: BriarBey
All that happened is that the United States announced Wednesday it was dropping a UN resolution seeking a new exemption for American peacekeepers from international prosecution for war crimes. Since Abu Grave broke, we didn't have the votes for it. The International Criminal Court has real war crimes to worry about right now. I don't think we are a very high priority for them. Today the International Criminal Court said it has begun to investigate crimes against humanity in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where they actually did kill, rape and tourture people.
26 posted on 06/23/2004 5:11:44 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: BriarBey

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=534639

Here's what I found on google. Heard Savage talking about the UN and Bush as well this afternoon:

Prisoner abuse: US backs down over immunity for soldiers
Outrage as documents reveal approved interrogation techniques
By Rupert Cornwell in Washington

24 June 2004

The US bowed yesterday to international outrage over prisoner abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan by abandoning its bid to secure a United Nations exemption for its soldiers from prosecution by the new International Criminal Court (ICC).

The about-turn at the UN came less than 24 hours after the White House released secret internal documents on the treatment of enemy prisoners - again in an attempt to dispel suggestions that it condoned the abuse at Abu Ghraib and elsewhere.

The decision not to seek a new resolution exempting US personnel from overseas prosecution is an astonishing climbdown for an administration that had vowed to have no truck with the ICC, and had previously threatened to veto all UN peacekeeping missions to get its way.

But opposition on the 15-member Security Council was overwhelming, especially after Kofi Annan, the UN secretary general, declared last week that a resolution sent "an unfortunate signal at any time - but particularly at this time".

The two moves underline how, despite the punishment being meted out to the Abu Ghraib guards involved in the abuse, the scandal continues to damage the Bush administration.

Documents released in Washington set out harsh interrogation techniques for terrorist and enemy prisoners but - the White House claims - make clear that outright torture has never been permitted.The documents contain elaborate lists of permissible, relatively innocuous sounding, methods of interrogation. But they also reveal that harsher techniques, including stripping prisoners, placing them in hoods and using dogs to terrify them, were approved for several months, before apparently being revoked in April 2003.

This is an excerpt. Click on above link for full article.


30 posted on 06/23/2004 5:13:19 PM PDT by beaversmom (Michael Medved has the Greatest radio show on GOD's Green Earth)
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To: BriarBey

Unless you hear it from President Bush, do NOT believe it.


31 posted on 06/23/2004 5:13:28 PM PDT by alnick
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To: BriarBey

I used to listen to Savage, I thought he was pretty funny and sometimes over the top. Now he's just plain nuts, at least his on-air personality is. He can't get through a show without screwing up the facts, I don't mean spinning them, I mean actually inventing them to fit his rant.


34 posted on 06/23/2004 5:16:04 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: BriarBey

We are already EXTREMELY upset about our guys from Abu G. being tried for anything AT ALL. Those prisoners were merely humiliated and nothing more. Our guys don't deserve what they are getting. Makes me want to cry...so yes when I hear they are being turned over to a World Court like Hitler I come unglued. You people know alot and that is why I am asking. Not to be attacked but to hear the truth.


45 posted on 06/23/2004 5:25:32 PM PDT by BriarBey
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If MS said such a thing I am sure he was being bitterly sarcastic about the US withdrawal of its UN resolution to exempt US citizens from the European "World" Court for another year. It was withdrawn because we did not have enough support to pass it. If Bush has cojones and some Euro does an arrest on an American GI or two. He will send in an assault group in helicopters with loaded missile pods, land in the yard or on the roof where the prisoners are detained and take them away. If there is anysignificant resistance the unit will then waste whatever and whoever is necessary to accomplish the rescue
86 posted on 06/23/2004 7:03:45 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (Ong la nguoi di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: BriarBey

I think if there was anything to it, Hugh Hewitt would have been all over it. He didn't say anything today. Relax...


110 posted on 06/23/2004 8:14:23 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: BriarBey

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1159044/posts

See above. Buried in that article is the statement that the US is exempt, as is Iraq, because we don't belong to the tribunal.


111 posted on 06/23/2004 8:18:03 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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Here ya go, BB. Read it and weep. I'll be voting Constitution Party...I don't think W wants to be re-elected.

U.S. Drops Plan to Exempt G.I.'s From U.N. Court

Source: NYTimes

URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/24/international/24NATI.html? hp


118 posted on 06/23/2004 9:38:17 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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