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The Guild 6-7-2004 President Reagan remembered
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Posted on 06/07/2004 7:43:41 AM PDT by BigWaveBetty

Remarks at an Ecumenical Prayer Breakfast in Dallas, Texas
August 23, 1984

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, very much. And, Martha Weisend, thank you very much. And I could say that if the morning ended with the music we have just heard from that magnificent choir, it would indeed be a holy day for all of us.

It's wonderful to be here this morning. The past few days have been pretty busy for all of us, but I've wanted to be with you today to share some of my own thoughts.

These past few weeks it seems that we've all been hearing a lot of talk about religion and its role in politics, religion and its place in the political life of the Nation. And I think it's appropriate today, at a prayer breakfast for 17,000 citizens in the State of Texas during a great political convention, that this issue be addressed.

I don't speak as a theologian or a scholar, only as one who's lived a little more than his threescore ten -- which has been a source of annoyance to some -- [laughter] -- and as one who has been active in the political life of the Nation for roughly four decades and now who's served the past 3\1/2\ years in our highest office. I speak, I think I can say, as one who has seen much, who has loved his country, and who's seen it change in many ways.

I believe that faith and religion play a critical role in the political life of our nation -- and always has -- and that the church -- and by that I mean all churches, all denominations -- has had a strong influence on the state. And this has worked to our benefit as a nation.

Those who created our country -- the Founding Fathers and Mothers -- understood that there is a divine order which transcends the human order. They saw the state, in fact, as a form of moral order and felt that the bedrock of moral order is religion.

The Mayflower Compact began with the words, ``In the name of God, amen.'' The Declaration of Independence appeals to ``Nature's God'' and the ``Creator'' and ``the Supreme Judge of the world.'' Congress was given a chaplain, and the oaths of office are oaths before God.

James Madison in the Federalist Papers admitted that in the creation of our Republic he perceived the hand of the Almighty. John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, warned that we must never forget the God from whom our blessings flowed.

George Washington referred to religion's profound and unsurpassed place in the heart of our nation quite directly in his Farewell Address in 1796. Seven years earlier, France had erected a government that was intended to be purely secular. This new government would be grounded on reason rather than the law of God. By 1796 the French Revolution had known the Reign of Terror.

And Washington voiced reservations about the idea that there could be a wise policy without a firm moral and religious foundation. He said, ``Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man (call himself a patriot) who (would) labour to subvert these . . . finest [firmest]\1\ (FOOTNOTE) props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere Politician . . . (and) the pious man ought to respect and to cherish (religion and morality).'' And he added, ``. . . let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion.''

(FOOTNOTE) \1\White House correction.

I believe that George Washington knew the City of Man cannot survive without the City of God, that the Visible City will perish without the Invisible City.

Religion played not only a strong role in our national life; it played a positive role. The abolitionist movement was at heart a moral and religious movement; so was the modern civil rights struggle. And throughout this time, the state was tolerant of religious belief, expression, and practice. Society, too, was tolerant.

But in the 1960's this began to change. We began to make great steps toward secularizing our nation and removing religion from its honored place.

In 1962 the Supreme Court in the New York prayer case banned the compulsory saying of prayers. In 1963 the Court banned the reading of the Bible in our public schools. From that point on, the courts pushed the meaning of the ruling ever outward, so that now our children are not allowed voluntary prayer. We even had to pass a law -- we passed a special law in the Congress just a few weeks ago to allow student prayer groups the same access to schoolrooms after classes that a young Marxist society, for example, would already enjoy with no opposition.

The 1962 decision opened the way to a flood of similar suits. Once religion had been made vulnerable, a series of assaults were made in one court after another, on one issue after another. Cases were started to argue against tax-exempt status for churches. Suits were brought to abolish the words ``under God'' from the Pledge of Allegiance and to remove ``In God We Trust'' from public documents and from our currency.

Today there are those who are fighting to make sure voluntary prayer is not returned to the classrooms. And the frustrating thing for the great majority of Americans who support and understand the special importance of religion in the national life -- the frustrating thing is that those who are attacking religion claim they are doing it in the name of tolerance, freedom, and openmindedness. Question: Isn't the real truth that they are intolerant of religion? [Applause] They refuse to tolerate its importance in our lives.

If all the children of our country studied together all of the many religions in our country, wouldn't they learn greater tolerance of each other's beliefs? If children prayed together, would they not understand what they have in common, and would this not, indeed, bring them closer, and is this not to be desired? So, I submit to you that those who claim to be fighting for tolerance on this issue may not be tolerant at all.

When John Kennedy was running for President in 1960, he said that his church would not dictate his Presidency any more than he would speak for his church. Just so, and proper. But John Kennedy was speaking in an America in which the role of religion -- and by that I mean the role of all churches -- was secure. Abortion was not a political issue. Prayer was not a political issue. The right of church schools to operate was not a political issue. And it was broadly acknowledged that religious leaders had a right and a duty to speak out on the issues of the day. They held a place of respect, and a politician who spoke to or of them with a lack of respect would not long survive in the political arena.

It was acknowledged then that religion held a special place, occupied a special territory in the hearts of the citizenry. The climate has changed greatly since then. And since it has, it logically follows that religion needs defenders against those who care only for the interests of the state.

There are, these days, many questions on which religious leaders are obliged to offer their moral and theological guidance, and such guidance is a good and necessary thing. To know how a church and its members feel on a public issue expands the parameters of debate. It does not narrow the debate; it expands it.

The truth is, politics and morality are inseparable. And as morality's foundation is religion, religion and politics are necessarily related. We need religion as a guide. We need it because we are imperfect, and our government needs the church, because only those humble enough to admit they're sinners can bring to democracy the tolerance it requires in order to survive.

A state is nothing more than a reflection of its citizens; the more decent the citizens, the more decent the state. If you practice a religion, whether you're Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, or guided by some other faith, then your private life will be influenced by a sense of moral obligation, and so, too, will your public life. One affects the other. The churches of America do not exist by the grace of the state; the churches of America are not mere citizens of the state. The churches of America exist apart; they have their own vantage point, their own authority. Religion is its own realm; it makes its own claims.

We establish no religion in this country, nor will we ever. We command no worship. We mandate no belief. But we poison our society when we remove its theological underpinnings. We court corruption when we leave it bereft of belief. All are free to believe or not believe; all are free to practice a faith or not. But those who believe must be free to speak of and act on their belief, to apply moral teaching to public questions.

I submit to you that the tolerant society is open to and encouraging of all religions. And this does not weaken us; it strengthens us, it makes us strong. You know, if we look back through history to all those great civilizations, those great nations that rose up to even world dominance and then deteriorated, declined, and fell, we find they all had one thing in common. One of the significant forerunners of their fall was their turning away from their God or gods.

Without God, there is no virtue, because there's no prompting of the conscience. Without God, we're mired in the material, that flat world that tells us only what the senses perceive. Without God, there is a coarsening of the society. And without God, democracy will not and cannot long endure. If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.

If I could just make a personal statement of my own -- in these 3\1/2\ years I have understood and known better than ever before the words of Lincoln, when he said that he would be the greatest fool on this footstool called Earth if he ever thought that for one moment he could perform the duties of that office without help from One who is stronger than all.

I thank you, thank you for inviting us here today. Thank you for your kindness and your patience. May God keep you, and may we, all of us, keep God.

Thank you.



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To: daisyscarlett; All; yall

The History of Liberals and Conservatives
The division of the human family into its two distinct branches occurred some 10,000 years ago, a few hundred years after the flood ... Humans coexisted as members of small bands of nomadic hunter/gatherers.

In the pivotal event of societal evolution, beer was invented. This epochal innovation was both the foundation of modern civilization and the occasion of the great bifurcation of humanity into its two distinct subgroups:
Liberals and Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered, it required grain, and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle or aluminum can had yet been invented, so it was necessary to stick pretty close to the brewery. That's how villages were formed.

Some men spent their days killing animals to barbecue at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of the conservative movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting, learned how to live off conservatives by showing up for the BBQs every night and doing women's work like sewing, fetching and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the liberal movement. Later, some of the liberals actually became women.

Liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, invention of group therapy and democratic voting to see how to divide the beer and meat that the conservatives provided. Women were not interested in democracy at that time because most of them were still women back then, and the conservatives fed them.

Conservatives are symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.

Modern Liberals like imported beer (they add lime), but most prefer white wine or foreign water in a bottle. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu, and french food are on liberal menus. Their women have more testosterone than the men. Liberals like deviant sex and want others to like it too. Their first successful city governments were Sodom and Gomorrah.

Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, and group therapists are Liberals. Liberals invented the designated hitter rule in baseball because it wasn't "fair" to make the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat, and still provide for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumber jacks, construction workers, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, soldiers, athletes, and generally anyone who works productively outside government. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals do not produce anything. They like to "govern" the producers and decide what is to be done with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals just stayed in Europe when conservatives were coming to America.

Conservatives have principles, believe in a Creator, and the rule of law. They practice charity and give to the poor, normally through their churches. When in doubt on an issue, they check both the Bible and the Constitution, which they use as a constant reference in a changing world. They believe in the concept of truth.

Liberals do not have principles, except for their dedication to stealing production of conservatives and undermining principled references such as the Bible and Constitution. They are never in doubt on an issue because they always do whatever is best for them without regard to others. They have no standard of reference. Liberals do not give to charity. They cultivate the poor like a cat cultivates a field of mice. They use the poor as voters and give them a portion of stolen tax money which they vote away from conservatives.

Conservatives believe in self defense, both at home and abroad. They own guns and use them to discourage liberals and other common criminals. They provide guns to the armed forces to discourage foreign liberals and other foreign criminals.

Liberals do not believe in conservative self defense They disarm conservatives, and then attack them with impunity by liberal armies with guns. King George, Hitler and Stalin were all liberals who abandoned the rule of Law, had no principles except their own self indulgence, and attempted to tax and govern conservatives. Liberals believe in BIG government They think the United Nations is the ultimate answer.

Conservatives believe in the rule of law and when sitting on juries, convict common criminals and acquit fellow conservatives who have been charged by liberals. When serving in the armed forces, they shoot liberals from other countries who want to govern our country. Conservatives know the difference between a common-sense law and a bone-headed statute passed by some liberal from Massachusetts. When sitting on juries, they do not enforce bone-headed statutes, and don't explain their reasons.

Liberals only believe in whatever laws are appealing to them, such as the privilege of making a living by taxing conservatives. When sitting on juries, liberals convict producers and acquit liberals and other common criminals. Modern Judges are all liberals as they do not produce anything except chaos, and are paid with confiscated tax money. They consider it against the law to reference any source of law such as the Bible or Constitution. Like other liberals, they just make it up as they go and do what is best for them. Judge Roy Bean is their model.

The American cowboy, of course, is your basic, full-bore Conservative. A hundred years ago, an Englishman visiting Texas was attempting to find the owner of a huge cattle ranch. He rode up to one of the ranch hands, and inquired, "Pardon me, but could you perhaps tell me where I might locate your master?" To which the cowboy replied, "That sumbitch ain't been born yet".

So, what'll it be? Wine or Beer? Domestic or Imported?


121 posted on 06/14/2004 5:06:29 AM PDT by lodwick (B.L.O.A.T.)
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Good morning, everyone.


122 posted on 06/14/2004 5:27:49 AM PDT by lodwick (B.L.O.A.T.)
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To: lodwick

Good morning, little fella! (Hi to you, too, JL).


123 posted on 06/14/2004 5:51:44 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: All
STAFFERS at the U.S. Mission to the United Nations are fuming because they weren't given the day off on Friday in honor of Ronald Reagan's state funeral. A tipster says they were shocked to receive a memo informing them they had to come into work.

"Morale has now sunk to its lowest level since 9/11," says one feather-bedding source. The spy blames the decision on "a liberal staffer whom many believe is trying to snub the former president."

In a fit of patriotic fervor, many staffers planned to show their disgust by refusing to lend a hand in the mission's long-scheduled move over the weekend to an office building a few blocks away. (Page Six)

124 posted on 06/14/2004 6:03:08 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: lodwick

He is just precious!

almost as cute as my gc! ;>)


125 posted on 06/14/2004 6:03:52 AM PDT by Iowa Granny (Impersonating June Cleaver since 1967)
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Cindy Adams offers some unseen moments from last week's Ronald Reagan memorial-related activities, including:

Sam Donaldson told the hair and makeup people his toupee needed extra reinforcement. He heard there were 45mph wind gusts on the roof. Cokie Roberts' assistant, schlepping a purple box of Stuart Weitzman shoes plus garment bag, asked where Cokie could change and was politely directed to a stairwell.

Nancy's attention to detail included — that day when Reagan's body was moved to the mortuary — her black coat modeled after what the Duchess of Windsor wore to the Duke's farewell. She even planned the menu for the Air Force One trip home.

At the Reagan Library John Kerry's advancers put in place a banana and a bag of Chitos, with: "It's what he likes to eat." When Kerry didn't snack, a Nancy staffer said: "One of us should take it. It could turn out to be presidential memorabilia."

126 posted on 06/14/2004 6:09:48 AM PDT by mountaineer
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Liz Smith quotes the pathetic, sniveling woman scorned:

Here is the zinger to end all zingers from New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd on the manner of George W. Bush in regard to Reagan's death:

"Finally, there's a flag-draped coffin and military funeral that President Bush wants us to see."

127 posted on 06/14/2004 6:15:00 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Iowa Granny

Heheh...maybe, just maybe, one of these days you and I will take the time to learn how do the digital camera thing - ya think?


128 posted on 06/14/2004 6:36:13 AM PDT by lodwick (B.L.O.A.T.)
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To: mountaineer
She should try hormone replacement therapy, it might take the edge off.

I want to know how Nancy's staffer plans to store a rotting banana. With the amount of preservatives in the Cheetos, they should last forever. :) Keeping snacks from a failed Presidential candidate seems a waste of time to me.

129 posted on 06/14/2004 7:57:02 AM PDT by pubmom
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To: lodwick
Carson is getting big and he is so CUTE...

Maybe someday he will cross paths with a younger lady named Coco...Courtney Cox has a baby girl

130 posted on 06/14/2004 8:11:42 AM PDT by daisyscarlett
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To: pubmom

So J. Effin's handlers would have us believe he's such a average guy, just another Joe Six-Pack, he snarfs Cheetos (and the previously-mentioned PBJs). Right. Maybe that was the dinner Teresa was home fixing in Fox Chapel while JFK pedaled around North Park on his $6,000 bike.


131 posted on 06/14/2004 8:13:27 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: mountaineer

Or perhaps she was home microwaving one of the fine foods from Heinz-held Budget Gourmet, John strikes me as a mac&cheese guy.;)


132 posted on 06/14/2004 8:49:18 AM PDT by pubmom
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To: daisyscarlett

We're all fairly geeked about the newest addition to our little clan - so far, so good.


133 posted on 06/14/2004 9:02:58 AM PDT by lodwick (B.L.O.A.T.)
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From Martin Weiss' newsletter:

When former President Reagan was first diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease, he released a poignant, handwritten letter announcing that he was embarking on "the journey that will lead me into the sunset of my life."

He said "I intend to live the remainder of the years God gives me on this Earth doing the things I have always done."

And for a while, he did just that. But not for long — as time ticked by, he sank into a sad decline.

This past Friday, AP writers Michael R. Blood and John Rogers recounted the memories of friends and family who witnessed it:

In the early years of the disease, said one, he would start to tell a joke, would get halfway through it, and then just couldn't finish it.

His doctors encouraged him to exercise, but when he was on the golf course, he gradually grew disoriented, even as he kept on smiling. They'd get the ball teed up for him, going to the green, but sometimes he didn't know which direction the hole was. His fellow players all loved him so much, they didn't mind.

Until a few years ago, Nancy Reagan often tried to surround him with familiar faces in the hope of reviving some remembrances. However, one former White House adviser who went to meet him said, "he just sat there."

Then as the visit was ending, the adviser stood next to the president by his desk, while the president pointed to a picture of his mother, saying "That's my mother."

"Well Mr. President," the adviser responded, "we're involved in this campaign now, and we're just going to win one more for the Gipper."

Reagan's eyes brightened up momentarily and he uttered just two words: "All right." It was a momentary remnant of a distant memory.

In 1999, Reagan's biographer reported he was still strong enough to rake leaves from the family pool. He would do it for hours, oblivious to the fact that the leaves were being thrown back into the pool behind him by his Secret Service men.

In a March 2001 interview with Larry King, Nancy Reagan said she no longer allowed visitors to see her husband — and even she could not reach him any more. "I think Ronnie would want people to remember him as he was," she said.

Finally, not long ago, a former Secret Service agent recalled Reagan's childlike joy when a Labrador retriever took a dunk in the pool, then shook the water off. "It splashed all over the president, and he laughed and laughed," the agent said. "That was the last time I saw him laugh."


134 posted on 06/14/2004 11:35:26 AM PDT by lodwick (B.L.O.A.T.)
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To: Timeout
I figure, since the Toons have been too lazy to submit plans for his funeral, why shouldn't we plan it for them?!!!

I wonder if Hillary wasn't watching Nancy and all the coverage and thinking how much political advantage she would get if she were the grieving widow. Maybe this is why Bill hasn't submitted any funeral plans? Hey, Bill, watch your back!

135 posted on 06/14/2004 12:11:47 PM PDT by MaeWest ("And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm.")
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To: MaeWest
I wonder if Hillary wasn't watching Nancy and all the coverage and thinking how much political advantage she would get if she were the grieving widow.

Interesting thought. I kept thinking Hill was taking notes so they could "One Up" all previous Presidents.

But you might be on to something, Mae. I doubt she would give a second thought to 'dusting him off' if she could play the grieving widow and gain lots of support in doing so.

We'll know for she if she lays her head on his casket.

136 posted on 06/14/2004 12:21:18 PM PDT by Iowa Granny (Impersonating June Cleaver since 1967)
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To: pubmom
Impeached former president Clinton's portrait was unveiled today.


137 posted on 06/14/2004 12:28:56 PM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (I am trying to stop an outbreak here and you're driving the monkey to the airport.)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs

The artist is to be congratulated on capturing the true essence of the former President.


138 posted on 06/14/2004 1:27:19 PM PDT by pubmom
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs

A little nugget. Did you know...

....that NPR's "All Things Considered" covered Ronald Reagan's funeral from the FDR monument?

Isn't that hillarious?! It strikes me that libs are sooooo juvenile.


139 posted on 06/14/2004 6:26:38 PM PDT by Timeout ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." Ronald Reagan, first inaugural)
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To: Iowa Granny; MaeWest
I kept thinking Hill was taking notes so they could "One Up" all previous Presidents.

I was sure one or the other, Blubba or the Hildebeaste, was trying to figure out how they could top the Reagan events, though it was hard to tell, given their sleepy, squinty, baggy, beady little eyes. They're an unscrutable duo, aren't they? All we can be sure of is that they're up to no good, but what, exactly? What, indeed ...

140 posted on 06/14/2004 6:54:18 PM PDT by mountaineer
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