Posted on 05/17/2004 11:14:22 PM PDT by Susannah
Just curious if Hitler was raised with a particular denomination of religion. And, if so, did his church excommunicate him?
So true, so true. Good posts and thanks for the discussion!
Corey
I guess they've never heard of the 100 million people killed by communism...
On the other hand, Stalin was once an Orthodox seminarian, ao I guess they will blame Christianity for that too...
According to most biographies of AH, he was nominally Catholic, but he embraced paganism as a young adult. He was especially attracted ancient Norse beliefs and subscribed to several pagan publications. He, in private, mocked Christianity as the worship of an "illegitmate Jewish man." Like a comsumate politician, he used Christianity to boost his support. he often peppered his speaches with vague references to "Providence."
It's a good computer help forum with an Off Topic section. All was cordial until the war came up. Now it's mostly a trash Bush and the war in the Off Topic section, but I still go there to watch their "debates" and sometimes add my input. Plus I 'private message' members there that obviously lean to the right and invite them to join freerepublic.
Actually, it's because of the overwhelming liberalism on that forum that I did a google search for conservative forums and landed here at freerepublic. :^)
Great link of info! Thank you.
I doubt the identification was very close: two of those heroes are Christian.
Likewise paganism. No war of religion has ever been fought between pagan societies.
I bet that, as a percentage, far more muslims have committed murder in the name of their religion than Christians have. If any liberals give you crap about the crusades, tell them to re-read their history books to discover WHY the crusades were waged. Hint...it was in response to something.
You are wrong John. For example, Chengiz Khan's attack on China was a war between two pagan societies. The war's in Latin America (between Aztecs and other post-Mayan civilizations) were also pagan. Try not to think of the world as Europe and North America.
Pagan societies don't condemn war so it's not a contradiction with their religion. Think of Greece and Rome and Mars. Or look at the wars of the Aztecs to get prisioners to sacrfice to Qu--.
Or the Vikings. Or the Celts.
Pagan societies were very warlike.
Then why did Buddhist Burma sack the capital of Buddhist Siam in 1767?
Don't forget Buddhism is a major influence in Japan which is not know for its pacifism and today the Buddihist majority is fighting the Hindu minority in Sri Lanka.
Even Tibet fought wars.
Hitler was a devotee of the Holy Grail. He stated in Mein Kampf that when he came to the part about accepting Jesus as the messiah he took the opposite (satan) direction. His response was that he would never get on his knees to any Jew.
Can't use Japan as an example Tribune. They use Buddhism very selectively. Shinto traditions also play a very powerful role and it was those traditions that drove their imperial ambitions.
I'll research your first point and get back.
Don't agree with your example of Tibet - Tibet fought wars against the Chinese when they were still relatively underdeveloped and like the Mongols, raided the Chinese for quick wealth. Once they accepted Buddhism, they essentially became a peaceful lot.
Also don't accept your Tamil/Sinhalese example in Sri Lanka. That conflict is based on language (Sinhalese versus Tamil), race (Sinhala versus Dravidian), and ethnic origin (ethnic Sri Lankan versus Tamil laborers brought by the British). Religion has almost no role in it.
Even if you were right about your examples, which you are not, they is still a far cry from the atrocities commited under the name of Islam and Christianity.
As opposed to Christianity? :-)
Don't agree with your example of Tibet - Tibet fought wars against the Chinese when they were still relatively underdeveloped and like the Mongols, raided the Chinese for quick wealth. Once they accepted Buddhism, they essentially became a peaceful lot.
Even if you were right about your examples, which you are not, they is still a far cry from the atrocities commited under the name of Islam and Christianity.
There aren't that many Buddhists. When they do get control they are as bad as any group that follows a non-pagan/atheist philosophy.
For Islam, I believe you will find it happening today if you look in tomorrows newspaper.
A little distorted. The conflict with religion arises from forced suppression. It is not so much the strong community belief favoring one religion as it is the tendency to suppress others. This is not exclusive to belief. Today in America and elsewhere, the suppression is stronger than ever. It's just coming from secular atheists. They are the "my way or the highway" group of the 21st century. Atheism has been just as guilty throughout history as either Islam or Christianity. It's the suppression, not the religion. Faith is actually an important element in freedom as it provides citizens with a basis for self-control.
I should add forced conversion to that. But you can be forced to be an atheist just as easily as anything else. When the American government forbids free expression by labeling it coercive to spectators, then we do not have freedom of religion at all. In the name of free religion we have gay marriage. We have homosexual approval in our public schools. But prayer? The Ten Commandments? Nope. That might offend someone. Don't kid yourself. The same disease you speak of is alive and thriving in our US government. It's just suppressing faith and favoring non-faith.
While he "claimed" to be Christian, he was very involved in the occults, so he obviously was not.
If any liberals give you crap about the crusades, tell them to re-read their history books to discover WHY the crusades were waged.
Indeed. Europeans put up with 450 years of savagery and slashing at the hands of Islam before they finally fought back. (All in the name of conversion, of course.)
Agree, which is why I said that at least Christians are moving towards Jesus's teachings (thankfully). At the same time, Muslims are moving towards Mohammad's more fundamentalist teachings (unfortunately).
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