AMERICA - The Right Way!! (Day 1160) [Remember the Trade Center!!]

AMERICA - The Right Way!! (Day 1159) [Remember the Trade Center!!]

Yesterday's Thread (3/24/04)

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Good Morning. Lovely spread.

Good morning. Tip toeing atound the house this mornimg. I need a few alone minutes and don't want to wake mil up.

blah!! Syracuse lost in the basketball tournament.

Morning, lysie.

I'm tiptoeing around too - don't want to wake husband up. That darned insomnia has struck again - going to get tea.

Is it realy true.? ABC has hired Clarke as a consultant? How unbiased of them! /sarcasm

I think it's true, but only know what I've read here.

Did you hear Rush pick up on something in the 911 hearing that most of us didn't pick up on at the time?

Commissioner Lehman said in the 9/11 Hearing that Clarke had worked with the commission privately and testified off the record for 15 or 16 hours and that his public testimony was in direct contrast to his private testimony!

He PLANNED this a year ago. He knew he was going to have his moment of fame. He testified privately saying one thing and testified publicly saying the polar opposite.

That is deliberate! Think about the planning involved in this...to work with the 9/11 Commission for a year telling them one thing privately...then come out with a book and testify to something else publicly. Amazing. And perjury, I would imagine.

I have no doubt it was planned. Amazing how all of the Rats on the committee had the book, isn't it?

Well, I am determined to dig up anything I can on Clarke. I am convinced that he has either been blackmailed, bribed (or a combination of both) or has been a sleeper agent for 30 years.

When one considers the seriousness of giving advice/blueprint to the 9/11 Commission and then giving private testimony for 15 HOURS that then is contradicted by 2 hours of public testimony - the mind boggles.

The lies. Keeping track of the lies. It takes a special mind to do that.

But we're preaching to the choir here on FR. Until people know and understand the treachery of what he did, he will not be exposed to the majority of Americans for the serial liar that he is.

RICHARD CLARKE: Actually, I've got about seven points, let me just go through them quickly. Um,
The first point, I think the overall point is, there was no plan on Al Qaeda that was passed from the Clinton administration to the Bush administration.	In his testimony yesterday, Clarke said that the Clinton administration had "no higher priority" than fighting terror.
Second point is that the Clinton administration had a strategy in place, effectively dating from 1998. And there were a number of issues on the table since 1998. And they remained on the table when that administration went out of office — issues like aiding the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, changing our Pakistan policy -- uh, changing our policy toward Uzbekistan. And in January 2001, the incoming Bush administration was briefed on the existing strategy. They were also briefed on these series of issues that had not been decided on in a couple of years.	In his testimony yesterday, Clarke said that the Clinton administration had "no higher priority" than fighting terror.
And the third point is the Bush administration decided then, you know, mid-January, to do two things. One, vigorously pursue the existing policy, including all of the lethal covert action findings, which we've now made public to some extent.	Bush, Clarke says, "never thought [al-Qaeda] was important enough for him to hold a meeting on the subject, or for him to order his national security advisor to hold a cabinet-level meeting on the subject." "Frankly, I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism, He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know." "...failed to act prior to September 11 on the threat from al Qaeda despite repeated warnings, and then harvested a political windfall for taking obvious yet insufficient steps after the attacks."
And the point is, while this big review was going on, there were still in effect, the lethal findings were still in effect. The second thing the administration decided to do is to initiate a process to look at those issues which had been on the table for a couple of years and get them decided.	Bush, Clarke says, "never thought [al-Qaeda] was important enough for him to hold a meeting on the subject, or for him to order his national security advisor to hold a cabinet-level meeting on the subject." "Frankly, I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism, He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know." "...failed to act prior to September 11 on the threat from al Qaeda despite repeated warnings, and then harvested a political windfall for taking obvious yet insufficient steps after the attacks."
So, point five, that process which was initiated in the first week in February, uh, decided in principle, uh in the spring to add to the existing Clinton strategy and to increase CIA resources, for example, for covert action, five-fold, to go after Al Qaeda.	Bush, Clarke says, "never thought [al-Qaeda] was important enough for him to hold a meeting on the subject, or for him to order his national security advisor to hold a cabinet-level meeting on the subject." "Frankly, I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism, He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know." "...failed to act prior to September 11 on the threat from al Qaeda despite repeated warnings, and then harvested a political windfall for taking obvious yet insufficient steps after the attacks."
The sixth point, the newly-appointed deputies — and you had to remember, the deputies didn't get into office until late March, early April. The deputies then tasked the development of the implementation details, uh, of these new decisions that they were endorsing, and sending out to the principals.	Bush, Clarke says, "never thought [al-Qaeda] was important enough for him to hold a meeting on the subject, or for him to order his national security advisor to hold a cabinet-level meeting on the subject." "Frankly, I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism, He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know." "...failed to act prior to September 11 on the threat from al Qaeda despite repeated warnings, and then harvested a political windfall for taking obvious yet insufficient steps after the attacks."
Over the course of the summer — last point — they developed implementation details, the principals met at the end of the summer, approved them in their first meeting, changed the strategy by authorizing the increase in funding five-fold, changing the policy on Pakistan, changing the policy on Uzbekistan, changing the policy on the Northern Alliance assistance.	Bush, Clarke says, "never thought [al-Qaeda] was important enough for him to hold a meeting on the subject, or for him to order his national security advisor to hold a cabinet-level meeting on the subject." "Frankly, I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism, He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know." "...failed to act prior to September 11 on the threat from al Qaeda despite repeated warnings, and then harvested a political windfall for taking obvious yet insufficient steps after the attacks."
And then changed the strategy from one of rollback with Al Qaeda over the course [of] five years, which it had been, to a new strategy that called for the rapid elimination of al Qaeda. That is in fact the timeline.	Bush, Clarke says, "never thought [al-Qaeda] was important enough for him to hold a meeting on the subject, or for him to order his national security advisor to hold a cabinet-level meeting on the subject." "Frankly, I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism, He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know." "...failed to act prior to September 11 on the threat from al Qaeda despite repeated warnings, and then harvested a political windfall for taking obvious yet insufficient steps after the attacks."
QUESTION: What is your response to the suggestion in the [Aug. 12, 2002] Time [magazine] article that the Bush administration was unwilling to take on board the suggestions made in the Clinton administration because of animus against the — general animus against the foreign policy? CLARKE: I think if there was a general animus that clouded their vision, they might not have kept the same guy dealing with terrorism issue. This is the one issue where the National Security Council leadership decided continuity was important and kept the same guy around, the same team in place. That doesn't sound like animus against uh the previous team to me.
JIM ANGLE: You're saying that the Bush administration did not stop anything that the Clinton administration was doing while it was making these decisions, and by the end of the summer had increased money for covert action five-fold. Is that correct? CLARKE: All of that's correct.	Bush, Clarke says, "never thought [al-Qaeda] was important enough for him to hold a meeting on the subject, or for him to order his national security advisor to hold a cabinet-level meeting on the subject." "Frankly, I find it outrageous that the president is running for re-election on the grounds that he's done such great things about terrorism, He ignored it. He ignored terrorism for months, when maybe we could have done something to stop 9/11. Maybe. We'll never know." "...failed to act prior to September 11 on the threat from al Qaeda despite repeated warnings, and then harvested a political windfall for taking obvious yet insufficient steps after the attacks."
QUESTION: Are you saying now that there was not only a plan per se, presented by the transition team, but that it was nothing proactive that they had suggested? CLARKE: Well, what I'm saying is, there are two things presented. One, what the existing strategy had been. And two, a series of issues — like aiding the Northern Alliance, changing Pakistan policy, changing Uzbek policy — that they had been unable to come to um, any new conclusions, um, from '98 on.	In his testimony yesterday, Clarke said that the Clinton administration had "no higher priority" than fighting terror.
QUESTION: Were all of those issues part of alleged plan that was late December and the Clinton team decided not to pursue because it was too close to ... CLARKE: There was never a plan, Andrea. What there was was these two things: One, a description of the existing strategy, which included a description of the threat. And two, those things which had been looked at over the course of two years, and which were still on the table. QUESTION: So there was nothing that developed, no documents or no new plan of any sort? CLARKE: There was no new plan.	In his testimony yesterday, Clarke said that the Clinton administration had "no higher priority" than fighting terror.
ANGLE: What was the problem? Why was it so difficult for the Clinton administration to make decisions on those issues? CLARKE: Because they were tough issues. You know, take, for example, aiding the Northern Alliance. Um, people in the Northern Alliance had a, sort of bad track record. There were questions about the government, there were questions about drug-running, there was questions about whether or not in fact they would use the additional aid to go after Al Qaeda or not. Uh, and how would you stage a major new push in Uzbekistan or somebody else or Pakistan to cooperate? One of the big problems was that Pakistan at the time was aiding the other side, was aiding the Taliban. And so, this would put, if we started aiding the Northern Alliance against the Taliban, this would have put us directly in opposition to the Pakistani government. These are not easy decisions.	In his testimony yesterday, Clarke said that the Clinton administration had "no higher priority" than fighting terror.
ANGLE: And none of that really changed until we were attacked and then it was ... CLARKE: No, that's not true. In the spring, the Bush administration changed — began to change Pakistani policy, um, by a dialogue that said we would be willing to lift sanctions. So we began to offer carrots, which made it possible for the Pakistanis, I think, to begin to realize that they could go down another path, which was to join us and to break away from the Taliban. So that's really how it started.
QUESTION: Had the Clinton administration in any of its work on this issue, in any of the findings or anything else, prepared for a call for the use of ground forces, special operations forces in any way? What did the Bush administration do with that if they had? CLARKE: There was never a plan in the Clinton administration to use ground forces. The military was asked at a couple of points in the Clinton administration to think about it. Um, and they always came back and said it was not a good idea. There was never a plan to do that.	In his testimony yesterday, Clarke said that the Clinton administration had "no higher priority" than fighting terror.
ANGLE: So, just to finish up if we could then, so what you're saying is that there was no — one, there was no plan; two, there was no delay; and that actually the first changes since October of '98 were made in the spring months just after the administration came into office? CLARKE: You got it. That's right. QUESTION: It was not put into an action plan until September 4, signed off by the principals? CLARKE: That's right.	In his testimony yesterday, Clarke said that the Clinton administration had "no higher priority" than fighting terror.
ANGLE: Now the five-fold increase for the money in covert operations against Al Qaeda — did that actually go into effect when it was decided or was that a decision that happened in the next budget year or something? CLARKE: Well, it was gonna go into effect in October, which was the next budget year, so it was a month away. QUESTION: That actually got into the intelligence budget? CLARKE: Yes it did. QUESTION: Just to clarify, did that come up in April or later? CLARKE: No, it came up in April and it was approved in principle and then went through the summer. And you know, the other thing to bear in mind is the shift from the rollback strategy to the elimination strategy. When President Bush told us in March to stop swatting at flies and just solve this problem, then that was the strategic direction that changed the NSPD from one of rollback to one of elimination. QUESTION: Well can you clarify something? I've been told that he gave that direction at the end of May. Is that not correct? CLARKE: No, it was March.
QUESTION: The elimination of Al Qaeda, get back to ground troops — now we haven't completely done that even with a substantial number of ground troops in Afghanistan. Was there, was the Bush administration contemplating without the provocation of September 11th moving troops into Afghanistan prior to that to go after Al Qaeda? CLARKE: I can not try to speculate on that point. I don't know what we would have done. QUESTION: In your judgment, is it possible to eliminate Al Qaeda without putting troops on the ground? CLARKE: Uh, yeah, I think it was. I think it was. If we'd had Pakistani, Uzbek and Northern Alliance assistance.	In his testimony yesterday, Clarke said that the Clinton administration had "no higher priority" than fighting terror.
...in a Sept. 15, 2001, e-mail to National SecurityAdvisorCondoleezza Rice, Mr. Clarke outlined some of the major steps taken by the Bush administration in the summer of 2001 to put the nation on a higher alert footing in an effort to prevent a possible attack. Mr. Clarke noted, for example, that on July 5, 2001, representatives of federal law enforcement agencies including the FBI, the Secret Service, the Federal Aviation Administration, the Customs Service, the Coast Guard and the Immigration and Naturalization Service were summoned to a meeting at which they were warned of a possible al Qaeda attack. "Thus, the White House did ensure that domestic law enforcement (including FAA) knew" of the possibility "that a major al Qaeda attack was coming and it could be in the U.S. ... and did ask that special measures be taken..."	Thanks for your work. Spreading the word. Nice job.
In his own book, he says trying to force a Middle East peace agreement was more important to Clinton than retaliating for the attack against USS Cole.	In his testimony yesterday, Clarke said that the Clinton administration had "no higher priority" than fighting terror.

morning ladies.. clear morning here..

NO stars last two nights.. went out to see the raved about bright 5 planets at once.. they were there but like my car keys playing hide/seek

must do garbage & a few other things.. willl find you all later on Friday thread..

thanks Lysie.. will FOR SURE read this later.. gotta run now

Rush on how Clarke lied in closed testimony to the 911 Commission:

LEHMAN: I've watched you labor without fear of favor in the succession of jobs where you really made a difference. So when you agreed to spend as much time as you did with us in -- as you say, 15 hours -- I was very hopeful, and I attended one of those all-day sessions and read the other two transcripts, and I thought they were terrific. I thought, ''Here we have a guy who can be the Rosetta Stone for helping this commission do its job, to help to have the American people grasp what the dysfunctional problems in this government are,'' and I thought, you let the chips fall where they may. But now we have the book, and I hope you're going to tell me as you apologize to the families for all of us who were involved in national security, that this tremendous difference -- and not just in nuance, but in the stories you choose to tell -- is really the result of your editors and your promoters rather than your studied judgment, because it is so different from the whole thrust of your testimony to us.

RUSH: Ladies and gentlemen, that is diplomacy. What he was really saying is, "You came before us in closed testimony; you lied your eyes out. You said something totally different than what your book says and what you're saying here today. We thought that you were going to be the guy that was going to help us get to the bottom of this, but obviously either your editors or your publisher or somebody got to you to change your story in time for your book to come out and you were gonna appear here in live testimony." That's what Lehman meant. This is a serious charge, ladies and gentlemen, and it ought to send red flags up to all these clowns that are worried about the Fox News release!

This is a third different version now we're hearing about. We're hearing about a different version from Clarke in the closed testimony for 15 hours, then we get his book, and then we get this background briefing from 2002. And of course the only thing the media is interested in is what we all saw and heard about on television yesterday, and you note their lack of interest or eagerness in getting to the bottom of these discrepancies -- and that, my friends, is the illustration. They've got their story. Anything gets in the way of that is going to be ignored. It's going to be characterized so they don't have to use it. These people are not about truth. You've got to understand that. That's not what this is about. Not the partisan media. Not A-BS, not N-BS, not SeeBS, not CN-BS or MSN-BS.

Also, on a thread I cannot find, it was noted that Clarke's business partner (Casey?) has joined MSNBC to work as a consultant.

Also, as I'm sure you've all seen, Clarke has only ever donated to Democrats.

This is the most coordinated attack on the presidency I've seen since Watergate.

The DNC has been busy and we don't know what they have planned for an October surprise.

The press is doing everything it can to affect public opinion of the politically uninformed (which is about 85% of the voting public).

I'm so glad I found you guys! Good thing I had the yahoo info.......That's where I found this temporary url. I had trouble getting to sleep last night wondering if FR would be here this morning. When I saw the "Error..." this morning, my heart just sank. How pathetic is that???!!

Good morning. Glad to see you.

Good morning all.

I am doing fine..

Just have been busy at work (good busy) and busy after work with Dr's appts and family shuttles.

Soon as things calms down a bit, I'll be back to posting as usual.

It's good to see YOU!

Just saw Kerry on Fox......Ugh!

Just heard one good thing......Kerry's negatives are going UP!

Yesssss!

Wonderful Scripture verse this morning kayak. Good morning everybody. Peach, I've been waking up between 4 anf 5 am all week. Not exactly insomnia but not good sleep either.

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