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The Passion is Turning Things Upside Down
CBN News at CBN.com ^ | March 9, 2004 | Gene Edward Veith

Posted on 03/09/2004 6:00:17 AM PST by KriegerGeist

The Passion is Turning Things Upside Down

By Gene Edward Veith
World Magazine

Both sides should realize that if all Jews really were personally responsible for the crucifixion of Christ, then every Christian should love every Jew, since without Christ's death, God's wrath would have fallen on each of us instead.

CBN.com – CHRIST REALLY DOES HAVE A WAY OF TURNING things upside down. Crowds of Christians pour into an R-rated movie, while cultural liberals—who usually say violent entertainment is harmless and art is supposed to be shocking—are warning about too much violence and a movie's baleful effects. An "art house film" in a foreign language with a controversial topic, a cutting-edge style, and an in-your-face aesthetic—a film that could not even find a major studio distributor—has turned into a smash hit.

The Passion of the Christ earned more in one day than any other religious-themed movie in history has made total. It had a bigger opening box office than any movie ever outside of the summer and holiday seasons. "Playing on 4,643 screens at 3,006 theaters, the $30 million production took in a whopping $26,556,573" on opening day, reported Box Office Mojo, a Hollywood trade site, "ironically prompting most in the industry to use the Lord's name in vain out of sheer amazement."

And yet, Hollywood, going against its own business interests, is reportedly set to blacklist Mel Gibson. The New York Times reports that the powers that be in the movie industry—those defenders of artistic freedom who bewail the blacklisting of Hollywood's communists decades ago—are going to punish Mr. Gibson for making this movie.

The Times' Sharon Waxman cites a number of powerful industry leaders who have vowed to have nothing to do with Mr. Gibson. She quotes one head of a studio who would not allow his name to be used: "It doesn't matter what I say. It'll matter what I do. I will do something. I won't hire him. I won't support anything he's part of."

The article shows that part of the hostility is sheer aversion to religion. A bigger factor is the conviction of many Jews, among them some of Hollywood's biggest players, that the film is anti-Semitic. The controversy has made clear that just as some who call themselves Christians have blamed all Jews, including those who were not alive at the time, and Judaism itself for killing Jesus, there are some Jews who blame all Christians, including those who were not alive at the time, and Christianity itself for the Holocaust.

Both sides should realize that if all Jews really were personally responsible for the crucifixion of Christ, then every Christian should love every Jew, since without Christ's death, God's wrath would have fallen on each of us instead.

But as the controversy grew, worries about anti-Semitism became only one of the complaints against such an explicit rendering of Christ's suffering, death, and resurrection. Newsweek came out with a cover story attacking the Bible itself. The Dallas Morning News trotted out liberal theologians who denied that Christ's death was sacrificial and an atonement for sin. Said a New Testament scholar from Berkeley, "It makes God sound bloodthirsty."

As for the reaction among Christians, many evangelicals considered The Passion of the Christ too Catholic. But if the movie is more Catholic than evangelicals are used to, it is also more evangelical than Catholics are used to. Mel Gibson went on TV to tell about his fall into sin and how, at the pinnacle of his external success, he fell into despair and was near suicide. Then he picked up a Bible and read about how Jesus died for him, which turned his life around.

That is an "evangelical" testimony, not that common among Catholics, especially traditionalist Catholics like Mr. Gibson. For evangelicals, the center of their devotion is the Scriptures, something traditionalist Catholics tended to keep away from the laity, but here Mr. Gibson—defending the truth of the Bible before his inquisitors—follows the text of Scripture in a literal, highly realistic way. And the subtitles proclaim the gospel all the way through—how Christ is bearing our sins and suffering in our place (which means all of the horrors we watch Him endure should have been happening to us).

American Christianity had become superficial, happy-clappy, offering formulas for earthly success rather than the promise of eternal life and a call to radical discipleship. Our evangelism had become reduced to "ask Jesus into your heart," without sometimes even mentioning who Jesus is and what He paid for our salvation. This movie, for all its faults and limitations, has reminded Christians of the magnitude of the cross.

And, in an uncanny way, we are seeing the truth of Scripture demonstrated once again: "We preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to the Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God" (1 Corinthians 1:23-24). [ This about says it all]


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To: biblewonk
if you got your version of "what Catholics believe about Mary" from the on-line group we've been discussing you are plainly misinformed.

Lurking'
101 posted on 03/09/2004 8:58:31 AM PST by LurkingSince'98
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To: Sloth
Thanks for the input. Let me ax an important, to me, question. How did you feel about "The 10 Commandments" movie?
102 posted on 03/09/2004 8:58:34 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: wirestripper
See it if you like. but don't criticize something that you know little about except for the vicious screeds written about it.

How about you doing the same. You don't know that much about my criticism or how I feel or where those feelings come from. So don't be so critical of me for not jumping on the bandwagon.

103 posted on 03/09/2004 9:00:40 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: biblewonk
yes, bw, that is right, but as I have asked: are you afraid of catching "Catholic Cooties" if you go see it?

Lurking'
104 posted on 03/09/2004 9:03:18 AM PST by LurkingSince'98
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To: biblewonk
Well, I was raised with a Catholic Father, a Baptist Mother and Orthodox Roman Catholic Grandparents.

I attended Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist and Episcopal churches as a child and as a young adult I went to nondenominational churches.

Any time I learned something was a good thing, but the problem I had was that they just did not excite me or challenge me so I stopped going.

But I am far from damaged and have found that my loner personality is at fault for my lack of attendance.

Gibson's film has renewed my desire to learn more.

No church has done that, ever. So, I recommend it to anyone willing to see the pain and the determination and then the glory of Christ.

105 posted on 03/09/2004 9:04:48 AM PST by Cold Heat (Suppose you were an idiot. Suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain)
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To: VRWCmember; LurkingSince'98; Ignatz; wolicy_ponk; hellinahandcart; biblewonk
If you love the movie, I'm sincerely (yes, "sincerely") happy for you. I've not passed judgment on anyone for deciding to see it. Likewise, try not to disparage those of us who, for whatever reason, have decided -- at least for the time being -- to miss it. My decision hasn't come without much prayerful consideration.
106 posted on 03/09/2004 9:14:56 AM PST by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible, i.e. words mean things!)
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To: LurkingSince'98
you have an agenda

LOL. Keep going. You're cracking me up.

107 posted on 03/09/2004 9:17:05 AM PST by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible, i.e. words mean things!)
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To: Sloth; newgeezer; VRWCmember; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Mary sees Satan moving through the crowd, following Jesus, but there's no indication whether she recognizes who/what it is.

In a "Making of the Passion" television special it shows Mel Gibson on the set instructing Jim Caviezel the he is the only one who sees Rosalinda (Satan).

108 posted on 03/09/2004 9:35:57 AM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: L,TOWM
would be great to convict and energize our weekend warrioring, milquetoast american church.

You said it !

Neatly combed, teeth too white. "Happy-Clappy" as someone said, that was funny and dead-nuts accurate.

109 posted on 03/09/2004 10:11:52 AM PST by MassExodus
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To: newgeezer
OH yeah I forgot about that little bit of Catholicism.
110 posted on 03/09/2004 10:30:28 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: wirestripper
Gibson's film has renewed my desire to learn more.

So now you'll read your bible?

111 posted on 03/09/2004 10:33:22 AM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: biblewonk
Well, it's beginning to look like the source of that information was also, shall we say, questionable. He's the same one who said Hebrews 6:4-6 says salvation can be lost.
112 posted on 03/09/2004 10:40:53 AM PST by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible, i.e. words mean things!)
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To: biblewonk
OH yeah I forgot about that little bit of Catholicism.

Apparently Mel forgot it too. See post #108.

113 posted on 03/09/2004 10:40:53 AM PST by TigersEye (Carrying a gun is a social obligation.)
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To: biblewonk
Let me ax an important, to me, question. How did you feel about "The 10 Commandments" movie?

Hmmm. Well, I have never analyzed The Ten Commandments so closely, since 1.) it didn't seem to be making quite as much a claim of realism as The Passion does with its dead languages and all; and 2.) I grew up seeing it from time to time on television so it was never 'new' to me like The Passion is.

But to answer your question, I liked the movie. I don't remember it that well because it's been a while since I've seen it -- or the animated Prince of Egypt for that matter; a lot of extra-Biblical stuff in both, of course. E.g., the Bible says Moses came down from Sinai and angrily broke the stone tablets. In The Ten Commandments, he holds up the tablets, yells "those who will not live by the law shall die by the law!" and throws them down, opening a giant crack in the earth that swallows the evildoers, a la Korah's folks in Number 26. So it certainly strays from the scriptures, LOL. But I still think it's a worthwhile effort.

114 posted on 03/09/2004 11:55:15 AM PST by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I have seen the movie 3 times...I believe you are correct. The old man is working on something....then it cuts away to Jesus working on the table. A very nice scene I might add.
115 posted on 03/09/2004 12:04:12 PM PST by lysie
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To: Sloth
I like the movie too. It's a lot of fun to watch and you can watch it again and again. But, if I wanted to get picky doctrinally, it is absolutely horrible. It's grossly humanistic and sends all kinds of wrong messages. I tend to pick things apart because I read the bible a lot. However, finding fault with such a movie sets one up for criticism among certain people.
116 posted on 03/09/2004 12:17:08 PM PST by biblewonk (I must try to answer all bible questions.)
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To: biblewonk
Where is this info in the movie? I haven't seen it yet, but will soon, and I'd like to look for it.
117 posted on 03/09/2004 2:44:50 PM PST by spatzie (Jude 17-21)
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To: newgeezer
"forever influenced by a lasting imprint of someone else's interpretation"
If you are reading a translation of the New Testament other than the original greek, isn't that someone else's interpretation?
I respect your opinion about not wanting to see the movie, but don't keep telling me the emperor's wearing new clothes if everyone can see he's naked.
The scene that bothers you doesn't seem to be in the movie.
118 posted on 03/09/2004 3:00:59 PM PST by spatzie (Jude 17-21)
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To: biblewonk
I realize that it is several hours later, and this may have already been dealt with, but:

"Catholic creation called Mary"

Please read Matthew chapter1, verses 18-25;Luke chapter 1, verses 26-80. Use any translation of the Bible you wish. Mary is Jesus' mother. She is not a Catholic creation.
I'm sorry if this offends you, but you have misspoken.
119 posted on 03/09/2004 3:12:49 PM PST by spatzie (Jude 17-21)
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To: spatzie
If you are reading a translation of the New Testament other than the original greek, isn't that someone else's interpretation?

So, you don't acknowledge a difference between translation and interpretation?

I respect your opinion about not wanting to see the movie, but don't keep telling me the emperor's wearing new clothes if everyone can see he's naked.

Hmmm... Maybe it's just me. But, for some reason, the latter half of your statement appears to belie the pretense of sincerity in the former.

The scene that bothers you doesn't seem to be in the movie.

What "bothers" me isn't any particular scene. It's the interpretation. At this point, I simply don't feel led to see The Passion of the Christ According to One Hollywood Man. If you're led differently, I'm happy you're following His lead.

120 posted on 03/09/2004 3:19:37 PM PST by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible, i.e. words mean things!)
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