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Charlize Theron lands best actress nomination for role in 'Monster'
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Posted on 03/01/2004 2:34:20 PM PST by GulliverSwift

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To: HairOfTheDog
Charlize was not pretty in her role.... she was as ugly as the real-life woman she portrayed.

No, I mean in real life.

I don't want to keep going with this. All I'm saying is that one of these is prettier than the other. If you don't think so, that's fine.


41 posted on 03/01/2004 3:15:32 PM PST by GulliverSwift (Keep the <a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/">gigolo</a> out of the White House!)
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To: Howlin
I agree.

I swear... If airbrushed supermodels have raised expectations to where we can't even be complimentary about a woman like her, just shoot me.

42 posted on 03/01/2004 3:15:42 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: King Black Robe
I saw the movie and I read the book. I went to screenit.com and still didn't see anything about Virginia Woolf being a lesbian. Sorry. Screenit.com did mention that she suffered from despression though.
43 posted on 03/01/2004 3:19:33 PM PST by CalKat
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To: Dolphy
The Hours

A copy of Michael Cunningham's Pulitzer Prize-winning novel, The Hours, shows up in Hable con Ella (Talk to Her). Superficially, it serves as brief homage to the book that Pedro Almodóvar adores, the book that, he says on his website, "film producers should better leave... alone." More complexly, the reference also hints at themes shared by his film and The Hours: passion, depression and obsession, and especially, the ways that women are shaped, hindered, and occasionally even inspired by the masculine structures and expectations that engulf them.

Even for these thematic correlations, the movie of The Hours, directed by Stephen Daldry and scripted by David Hare, is about as different from an Almodóvar film as might be imagined. Where Almodóvar tends to expand or inventively exaggerate emotional trajectories, Daldry, who previously made Billy Elliot, tends to work in a more recognizably "realistic" mode. His version of The Hours is perfectly structured according to meticulous rhythms and lived-in images: the characters' homes, for instance, are cluttered with materials -- books, pictures, and personal mementos. His film translates the book's complex organization -- three women in different times and places, each struggling with depression and desire -- as a kind of puzzle, each piece interlocking. Essentially three separate films, The Hours deploys clever matching shots to shift between them and Philip Glass' famously inexorable scoring to underline thematic fluidity.

The movie opens on the suicide of Virginia Woolf (Nicole Kidman), in the London suburb of Richmond, 1941. She writes a note to her husband Leonard (Stephen Dillane), dons her plaid wool coat, then walks down to the river, where she puts stones in her pocket and wades in. From here the film cuts back in time, to 1923, as Woolf is writing Mrs. Dalloway, feeling intimidated by her maids, visiting with her sister Vanessa Bell (Miranda Richardson) and her children, and each day confronting her own evolving madness.

The second story takes place in 1951 Los Angeles, where housewife Laura Brown (Julianne Moore) is reading Mrs. Dalloway, and in the process, facing doubts concerning her marriage to gentle Dan (John C. Reilly), for whom she and her young son (Jack Rovello) endeavor to make a birthday cake. This section begins as Dan buys his wife flowers, a sincere effort to nudge her mood: he sees her melancholy, but has no concept of how to help, or even talk with her. He heads off to work for the day, but not before reminding her how much he's looking forward to their perfect birthday dinner that evening -- a reminder, it seems, that she needs to be there when he gets back. For her part, Laura is seriously considering Clarissa Dalloway's example, planning not only her husband's party, but also her suicide.

The third piece, set in 2001 Manhattan, follows Clarissa Vaughn (Meryl Streep) as she puts together a party for ex-lover Richard (Ed Harris), a prize-winning novelist now dying of AIDS-related illness. Helped by her infinitely patient life partner, Sally (Allison Janney), and their daughter Julia (Claire Danes), Clarissa bustles about her day, resisting the fact that Richard is coming to grips with his own devastating grief, his regrets and needs, in ways that will necessarily leave her out.

As this synopsis suggests, much of The Hours is about grief, focused through the prism of women feeling oppressed by culturally ordained and personally absorbed obligations. Laura's neighbor, Kitty (luminous Toni Collette), confesses that she has a growth in her uterus. Looking on Laura's son and current pregnancy, she frets that you can't "call yourself a woman until you're a mother." With this, Laura's sense of guilt (why is she depressed when she has everything Kitty wants?) and lesbian desire overwhelm her: she kisses Kitty, who panics, reverting to housewifey chitchat and hustling out the door.

Laura's desperation and isolation recall Woolf's, of course. Neither woman can express her sexual yearning outright, and neither can resolve her situation, please herself and those who love her. Laura, for all her efforts to kill herself (which result in a bizarrely over-the-top scene in which she imagines her own Woolf-inspired drowning), eventually leaves her family in her own way.

This links her with Virginia, whose fate is fixed in history. Even she seems resigned to it before it occurs, telling Leonard that she can no longer bear living in virtual seclusion outside the city, despite his best intentions to protect her. "I'm dying in this town," she informs him. "I alone wrestle in the dark, in the deep dark... Only I can understand my own condition."

The Hours seems undecided as to whether it believes her. Its women subjects are, on one hand, unfathomable prisms of sentiment and sensation, rendered in brilliant performances (all the talk about Kidman's losing herself in this role is true -- she's transformed). But the women are also functions of a coherent narrative, made comprehensible as embodiments of historical patterns. In this way, the film indicts, rather broadly and unimaginatively, patriarchal oppressions, especially as these lead to diagnoses of individual deviance, say, lesbianism. As sensitive as Leonard, Richard, or even Dan might strive to be, he just can't get it: women's stuff remains mysterious. This seems somehow reductive, political oppression creating an insular emotional world where culpability and generosity may never be known.

Or maybe not. The film's single wholly selfless gesture is made by Julia, the youngest character. Near film's end, she embraces Richard's elderly mother, suffering unspeakable guilt for choices she's made in the past, and at that moment, feeling judged by the distraught Clarissa. In this moment, Julia acknowledges the older woman's otherness, the unfathomable nature of her decisions, and asks nothing in return. Coming after "hours" of interiority, it's a splendidly, surprisingly expansive sign of acceptance and imagination.

44 posted on 03/01/2004 3:20:31 PM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: GulliverSwift
There's no way she could have won Best Actress if she wasn't okay looking.

Tell that to Shirley Booth.

And Kathy Bates.

And Glenda Jackson.

And Ellen Burysten.

And Sissy Spacek.

And Frances McDormand.

45 posted on 03/01/2004 3:21:57 PM PST by Howlin (Just another unrepentant Bush supporter.)
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To: theFIRMbss
That film is not where Peter Jackson got his start. He made 3 movies before that. It IS where fru-fru movie critics first felt "safe" embracing one of his films (I think it is his most ho hum).

That movie was based on a real murder and I think that the killer later became a mystery writer.

That movie IS also where Peter Jackson first used computer animation in one of his films. Peter Jackson, more than any other NZ filmmaker, created the New Zealand film industry's special effects industry.

46 posted on 03/01/2004 3:22:08 PM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: Howlin
I don't know what you're talking about. None of these women look like butches.

Well, off to the chat section.

47 posted on 03/01/2004 3:24:18 PM PST by GulliverSwift (Keep the <a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/">gigolo</a> out of the White House!)
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To: MineralMan
Are there any sympathetic men in the movie (apart from her lawyer or death penalty opponents)?
48 posted on 03/01/2004 3:25:52 PM PST by weegee (Election 2004: Re-elect President Bush... Don't feed the trolls.)
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To: CalKat
From Screenit:

OUR WORD TO PARENTS:

Here's a quick look at the content found in this drama that's been rated PG-13. Profanity consists of at least 1 "f" word, while a handful of other expletives and colorful phrases are also uttered. Several scenes feature women briefly kissing other women (2 are noted as lesbians, the others are heterosexual or possibly bi, while 2 men are gay but aren't seen together). Overall, the film is rather gloomy and depressing, and thematic elements include suicide (2 characters commit it and one nearly does), depression and mental illness, and AIDS (1 character is dying from it and looks very sick). Some of that material could be disturbing or unsettling for some viewers. Meanwhile, some tense family material is present and several characters smoke.

If you're still concerned about the film and its appropriateness for yourself or anyone else in your home who may be interested in seeing it, we suggest that you take a closer look at our detailed listings for more specific information regarding the film's content.

It also says that in the movie Virginia kisses another woman on the mouth. I guess she would be one of the bisexuals then.

49 posted on 03/01/2004 3:28:28 PM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: CalKat
Also:

SEX/NUDITY

We see Sally in some boxers as she gets into bed with Clarissa (they're lovers).

Kitty shows cleavage.

Kitty mentions that she's going in for surgery regarding a growth in her uterus and mentions that it's probably why she can't get pregnant.

Laura and Kitty end up briefly kissing in a sensual fashion and Laura wonders if Kitty minded that.

Virginia kisses another woman on the mouth.

Clarissa briefly kisses Sally.

50 posted on 03/01/2004 3:31:47 PM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: King Black Robe
Are there lesbian suggestions? Yes, but that is not the main theme of this movie.
51 posted on 03/01/2004 3:36:13 PM PST by Dolphy
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To: King Black Robe
I sure don't remember Virginia kissing another woman on the mouth and I can't even imagine who it was. I think the only other women she interacted with were her sister and her household help. I didn't see any mention of her being a lesbian on screenit.com or your other post.

As far as all the other stuff about Kitty and Clarissa, etal goes, this whole back and forth started with the comment that Nicole Kidman won the Oscar for portraying an ugly lesbian, so the other characters are moot. If she was playing a lesbian, it sure wasn't a big part of her character, who was married to a man. I also don't ever hear of Virginia Woolf referred to as a lesbian.
52 posted on 03/01/2004 3:37:24 PM PST by CalKat
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To: Dolphy
Okay. Nor is it the main theme of Monsters (I don't think). My point was that they are both lesbians. Obviously I was a little wrong on Virginia Wolfe since it appears she may have been bisexual. But 2 other characters in the movie were absolutely lesbians and another 2 were questionable. They were all mentally off. I just was commenting that I find it strange for Hollywood to be churning out stories about crazy lesbians -- even bisexuals -- when they are so intent on pushing the pro-gay agenda.
53 posted on 03/01/2004 3:40:24 PM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: CalKat
I stand corrected. Nicole played a crazy bisexual who killed herself.
54 posted on 03/01/2004 3:41:55 PM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: King Black Robe
Sorry, but she was not a lesbian or a bi-sexual. Are you basing this on a website that reviewed a movie that was made from a book that was about another book written by Virginia Woolf? And the review says she kisses another woman on the mouth? That hardly seems enough to make a claim that a great writer was lesbian or bi-sexual, when her biographies, etc. don't mention this.
55 posted on 03/01/2004 3:58:09 PM PST by CalKat
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To: HairOfTheDog
My world is full of pretty, plain and pretty plain women full of Beauty.

As to the exterior only, I have known a few, but how can we argue them? What are the rules for judging beauty?

"... Beauty is in the eye of it's beholder ... "

"... There is certainly no absolute standard of beauty. That precisely is what makes its pursuit so interesting ..."

Though I must say I have always found this quote more amusing.


" ... Remember that the most beautiful things in the world
are the most useless :
peacocks and lilies , for instance ... "

56 posted on 03/01/2004 4:01:45 PM PST by CyberCowboy777 (We should never ever apologize for who we are, what we believe in, and what we stand for.)
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To: CalKat
I am talking about the character as portrayed in the Hollywood movie The Hours by Nicole Kidman. I am not talking about who Virgina Wolfe was in real life. I do not know the answer to that. But I think who she was portrayed as in the movie is clear. She was portrayed as being bisexual, or at least questioning her sexuality which is probably the same thing. She was also portrayed as being mentally ill.
57 posted on 03/01/2004 4:02:07 PM PST by King Black Robe (With freedom of religion and speech now abridged, it is time to go after the press.)
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To: theFIRMbss
Heavenly Creatures was a great movie, but certainly not in the same league as Jackson's Bad Taste.
58 posted on 03/01/2004 5:04:23 PM PST by grellis (Che cosa ha mangiato?)
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To: PetroniusMaximus
What's so fascinating (and scary) about this film is that I actually began to sympathize with Wuornos! While I could never condone her actions you can see clearly what led her to it. This is a rare film--it makes a serial killer look sympathetic.

Making it even scarier: I read an interview with several detectives from the Wuornos case -- it's a local case here in North Florida. They said Theron got Wuornos's mannerisms and style nearly perfect. It was like seeing the actual woman again.

59 posted on 03/02/2004 8:59:40 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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