[HOMLND SEC MEMO HIGHEST THRT LVL] SPECIAL ALERT: INTERCESSORS 4 AMERICA ON WATCH IN WASHINGTON

ifapray.org ^ | 27 NOV 2003 | Francis Frangipane; Paul Sperry Wash B Chief

[Quix]

I'm unaware that we can use the same words with the same meanings.

I limited the title merely because of the 100 character limit. I was as informative within those constraints as I knew how to be. I was not in the least trying to be a microgram of deceptive at all.

It's amazing that many can see accurately what I did but you cannot.

[Quix]

MUCH appreciate your kind words.

MUCH.

THANKS.

God's best to you and yours.

[RepublicanArmy]

Thanks for the ping JustPiper!

Well I think right now those bastages are still going ahead with their plans but as for the timing well I'm split.

It comes down to 3 choices and to tell you the truth I'll be happy if it's either one of the first 2 I list below.

1.) Our forces here have been nipping at the heels of the terrorists here and they haven't been able to pull off this grand attack.

2.) It was all a bunch of hot air to try and scare us all into submission. (BTW bad guys it didn't & won't work because we don't scare easy and if you try to hurt or kill us, well let's just say you should know by now that you wouldn't like us when we're angry!)

Or it could be the 3rd choice and if it is let's hope that choice number 1 comes to pass.

3.) They put out all this info to send our forces into a frenzy trying to thwart bogus attacks while they set up and launch the major attack in the future when we aren't expecting it.

That being said I hope the bad guys check out this site and read this post. So hear this you freaks:

You will never win and we shall never give up. I, just like every other American, will stand by each other and fight for this great nation. We don't have to be in the military to defend our homeland and defend it we shall.

I'd rather die defending my homeland, my fellow Americans, my family, and my love for this country rather then to let you come here and rule over us. The difference between us and you in combat is we aren't afraid to stand toe to toe and fight you face to face. Unlike you cowards who send someone with a bomb to kill himself. Your nothing but a bunch of cowards who don't have the balls to fight us face to face.

[Quix]

I could say something similar about you.

[Quix]

HERE'S THE LINK TO HIS SITE.

THEY ARE FAR FROM QUACKS. I respect him in the top 1% of Christian leaders I know of.

http://frangipane.org/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?pagename=FaithHighway/10000/1000/728/home

[Quix]

AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!

[huck von finn]

I'm unaware that we can use the same words with the same meanings.

Well, my friend, if you study language at all you will realize how easy that is to do. Heck, even if you don't study it--it is the mark of a manipulator.

I limited the title merely because of the 100 character limit. I was as informative within those constraints as I knew how to be. I was not in the least trying to be a microgram of deceptive at all.

The title limit I believe. The other I do not, because I sincerely believe you are someone who wanted to post religious belief as standard news. And to you that might be one and the same, but to others it is not because they don't know who Francis is. Frankly, from what I've seen, I don't like Francis. I don't like him at all. He strikes me as an opportunist and a drag. He could be doing his best to be honest; I don't know. But he doesn't come off that way to me, and the very fact that he presumes to know what additional horrors might befall our country makes him somewhat suspect. I don't like him. I think he's not honest. Why else would he have to resort to such tactics?

It's amazing that many can see accurately what I did but you cannot.

Many? Who are those? I don't see too many here "seeing" that. Please deal with reality. I know you have your faith, and your faith is sacred and good, but don't continue to distort things, please.

[huck von finn]

Yes you could, and you would be justified just as I am now, but you posted something that was an opinion rather than the truth and used it as news. That's not right.

[huck von finn]

Paper grading times return tomorrow.

I know about that! The end of the semester looms.

[Quix]

I realize the following is

UNNEWSWORTHY AS EXTENDED NEWS;

Talks about a Moslem Cleric in Iraq who reportedly DOOMED OUR TRANSITION PLANS IN IRAQ so the following should be avoided at all costs by the 'allergic to God/religion talk' folks;

Talks about why our Bremer plan etc. stalled in local terms so it's of absolutely no interest to anyone but rabidly idiotic and dumb religionists freaks.

AND

was taken from a Christian website; titled: ON WATCH IN WASHINGTON so it's obviously from loonies, by loonies for loonies.

So, read at your own risk oh brilliant, lofty, intellectually superior FREEPERS. I wouldn't want to be responsible for contaminating any superior minds so grandly free of such humble, 'irrational,' 'mean,' 'idiotic' sensibilities and perceptions as my own.

Perhaps the allergic to 'religious'/God related issues and aspects of life need to stop first and be sure they've taken their allergy meds before reading further.

. . . etc.

from:

http://www.ifapray.org/OnWatch/OnWatch2003Archive/onwatch-Nov_26_2003.asp

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IRAQI CLERIC DOOMED U.S. PLAN FOR TRANSITION IN IRAQ - The unraveling of the Bush administration's script for political transition in Iraq began with a fatwa. The religious edict, handed down in June by Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, Iraq's most influential Shiite Muslim cleric, called for general elections to select the drafters of a new constitution. He dismissed U.S. plans to appoint the authors as "fundamentally unacceptable."

His pronouncement, underestimated at first by the Bush administration, doomed an elaborate transition plan crafted by U.S. administrator L. Paul Bremer that would have kept Iraq under occupation until a constitution was written, according to American and Iraqi officials involved in the process.

While Bremer feared that electing a constitutional assembly would take too long and be too disruptive, there was a strong desire on his own handpicked Governing Council to obey Sistani's order. With no way to get around the fatwa, and with escalating American casualties creating pressure on President Bush for an earlier end to the occupation, Bremer recently dumped his original plan in favor of an arrangement that would bestow sovereignty on a provisional government before a constitution is drafted.

Bremer's unwillingness to heed the fatwa until just a few weeks ago may have delayed the country's political transition and exacerbated popular anger at the occupation, Iraqi political leaders said. "We waited four months, thanks to Bremer," said one council member, speaking on condition of anonymity. "We could have organized this [transition] by now had we started when Sistani issued his fatwa. But the Americans were in denial."

[Quix]

I DID *NOT!*

I posted the truth.

You don't have to believe it.

But my best information put it as among the most truthful of my and anyone else's sources.

And, I suspect the Associated Press Bureau Chief would bristle at your assertions that it was not the truth, too.

Sheesh!

[Quix]

True.

Happy grading to you.

[huck von finn]

You are making a lot of assumptions.

God help you. God help you every day.

[Quix]

Maybe this will be clickable:

HERE: http://www.ifapray.org/OnWatch/OnWatch2003Archive/onwatch-Nov_26_2003.asp

[Quix]

Scarcely more assumptions than you seem to have been making.

[bluefish]

I completely understand your frustration with the attempt to push Christianity under the rug. I am typically outraged by the most ridiculous exampes we see daily. I've argued that the extreme Atheists are a serious threat to society and their zealouness in attempting to eradicate any evidence of Christianity is evidence that they themselves are practicing an extreme religion themselves - one that is simply more dangerous because it is so heavily focused on destroying those things that do no harm, even to non-believers or thos of a different faith. The elimination of a manger scene on government property at Christmastime is the classic example.

I think in this case though, people were taken aback because they found that the "Terror Threat News" was from a questionable source - an email from a guy they know nothing about. You had mentioned various pieces of more credible sources that were cited in the email. It is typically suggested that those sources should then be posted, not the interpretation found in the email.

The reason for this is that I can write my own email and cite stories or facts from credible sources in that email. I could also twist the information obtained and provide a ridiculous conclusion. That isn't news.

Had this email been referenced in the discussion of a real news release, it may not have been questioned. I think the headline put people on edge, then the source caused them to be somewhat relieved, followed by anger because they felt a bit conned.

[huck von finn]

And to you as well! I don't know about you, but I teach college writing, and I always encourage my students to rewrite throughout the semester--since that is what writing is about. This time of year is therefore one of the toughest, but I love it because I get to see the most improvement. Do you know what I mean?

[Quix]

Fascinating explanation and I have no reason to consider it less than plausible.

Given that:

Associated Press; WorldNetDaily.com, by Paul Sperry, Washington Bureau Chief, 11/24/03

Was early in the document--and I HAD TRIED to put that whole bit in the SOURCE slot--but it kept deleting major portions of it and I gave up other than getting the Bureau Chief's name in there with Francis'

But given that line--clearly listing a Washington Bureau Chief of the Assoc Press as a source for a key part . . . what on earth happened in brain synapses to flush that so wholesale REGARDLESS of the rest of the document?

Have people in this country forgotten how to spit out the bones at all?????????????????????????!

And it wasn't even bones, the rest of it--but from their perpsective, if they considered it bones, spit them out and hold on to the Assoc Press part.

WHAT WAS SO IRRATIONALLY DIFFICULT ABOUT THAT????

SHEESH.

Thanks much for your patient explanation. But it presents a mystifying picture of very strange thought processes, to me . . . no layman in terms of knowledge about thought processes.

[Quix]

HOWDY,

I've had a very mystifying experience on this thread. Would appreciate your comments and inputs on the thread or via FREEPMAIL.

THANNKS MUCH,

[huck von finn]

Quix--World Net Daily is not exactly a reliable news source. I am passing along this information, and I mean it sincerely.