Dimensional Door - Freeople Thread 14

[Windshark]

A scary thought....

:-)

We could have a song....to the tune of Gilligan's Island, yes?

"a three hour Freep"

but who would be Gilligan, and who would be MaryAnn?

[grannie9]

I know one thing Libby.. I haven't to my remembrance voted for a Rat yet.. and I'll be damned if I ever want to. Clinton and his boys running now, make me sick.

I've always voted Pubbie, but the Pubbies are getting to look more like Rats every day..

I know there are plenty around that feel like I do, but you know what, 'they' don't care. We are being swamped and over-run. I don't know what the answer is, but I wish someone did.. I never thought I'd live long enough to see this happen to our country.

Am I over-reacting to it all? I hope so, and I'd love nothing more than to see all my fears made rediculous..

[ValerieUSA]

I wanna be Ginger. I like the wardrobe *L*

[grannie9]

I hosey the old lady. Whatsherface... ;)

[Windshark]

Is Wal-Mart really capitalism at it best?

Yes, it was....

And....No it isn't. If they continue in the way you're describing, like KMart, they will be supplanted by a better choice. All the while, someone will be complaining about how we have to save their jobs.

Markets rule. Whether we like it or not.

[.38sw]

I've always voted Pubbie, but the Pubbies are getting to look more like Rats every day..

I haven't always voted Pubbie, I voted Rat until 1992, when Billy Jeff ran the first time. I took a look at him and listened to what was coming out of his mouth, and realized he was lying. The first Pubbie I voted for was Ronald Reagan in 1980, because I realized the Carter was such a horrible president, although I didn't change my registration then. I changed my registration to Pubbie in 1994 because I didn't want to be associated with the party of Clinton. Now I see the Pubs acting like the Rats, co-opting Rat issues. Makes me sick.

[sweetliberty]

"I've always voted Pubbie, but the Pubbies are getting to look more like Rats every day...I never thought I'd live long enough to see this happen to our country. "

Same here, even when I was registered as an independent. I could never see myself lining up behind a RAT...any RAT, but I have to say, given all that's happening, I have totally lost my enthusiasm for voting, especially after having seen first hand the extent of voter fraud in the state of Arkansas in the RAT camp. Oh, I'm sure I will go through the motions, but that is all it will be. I have lost all faith in the electoral process.

[.38sw]

I still shop at WalMart occasionally for a few items like cat food and housewares (detergent, cleaning supplies, kitchen stuff) and ammunition. That's it. It IS getting to be too much like KMart, and I stopped shopping at KMart years ago.

[Mo1]

Is our standard of living down? Or is it that we have higher expectations now? My mother totally supported four kids from ages 13 to 3 on her salary as a public health nurse

Sounds like the way I grew up .. but is was 7 kids and mom worked at the local bank because it was close to home in case anything happen to us little ones at the time

[Conservababe]

This is what President Bush had to say in his proposal....

I propose a new temporary worker program that will match willing foreign workers with willing American employers, when no Americans can be found to fill the jobs. This program will offer legal status, as temporary workers, to the millions of undocumented men and women now employed in the United States, and to those in foreign countries who seek to participate in the program and have been offered employment here. This new system should be clear and efficient, so employers are able to find workers quickly and simply.

All who participate in the temporary worker program must have a job, or, if not living in the United States, a job offer. The legal status granted by this program will last three years and will be renewable -- but it will have an end. Participants who do not remain employed, who do not follow the rules of the program, or who break the law will not be eligible for continued participation and will be required to return to their home.

Under my proposal, employers have key responsibilities. Employers who extend job offers must first make every reasonable effort to find an American worker for the job at hand. Our government will develop a quick and simple system for employers to search for American workers. Employers must not hire undocumented aliens or temporary workers whose legal status has expired. They must report to the government the temporary workers they hire, and who leave their employ, so that we can keep track of people in the program, and better enforce immigration laws. There must be strong workplace enforcement with tough penalties for anyone, for any employer violating these laws.

Undocumented workers now here will be required to pay a one-time fee to register for the temporary worker program. Those who seek to join the program from abroad, and have complied with our immigration laws, will not have to pay any fee. All participants will be issued a temporary worker card that will allow them to travel back and forth between their home and the United States without fear of being denied re-entry into our country.

This program expects temporary workers to return permanently to their home countries after their period of work in the United States has expired. And there should be financial incentives for them to do so. I will work with foreign governments on a plan to give temporary workers credit, when they enter their own nation's retirement system, for the time they have worked in America. I also support making it easier for temporary workers to contribute a portion of their earnings to tax-preferred savings accounts, money they can collect as they return to their native countries. After all, in many of those countries, a small nest egg is what is necessary to start their own business, or buy some land for their family.

Some temporary workers will make the decision to pursue American citizenship. Those who make this choice will be allowed to apply in the normal way. They will not be given unfair advantage over people who have followed legal procedures from the start. I oppose amnesty, placing undocumented workers on the automatic path to citizenship. Granting amnesty encourages the violation of our laws, and perpetuates illegal immigration. America is a welcoming country, but citizenship must not be the automatic reward for violating the laws of America.

The citizenship line, however, is too long, and our current limits on legal immigration are too low. My administration will work with the Congress to increase the annual number of green cards that can lead to citizenship. Those willing to take the difficult path of citizenship -- the path of work, and patience, and assimilation -- should be welcome in America, like generations of immigrants before them.

In the process of immigration reform, we must also set high expectations for what new citizens should know. An understanding of what it means to be an American is not a formality in the naturalization process, it is essential to full participation in our democracy. My administration will examine the standard of knowledge in the current citizenship test. We must ensure that new citizens know not only the facts of our history, but the ideals that have shaped our history. Every citizen of America has an obligation to learn the values that make us one nation: liberty and civic responsibility, equality under God, and tolerance for others.

This new temporary worker program will bring more than economic benefits to America. Our homeland will be more secure when we can better account for those who enter our country, instead of the current situation in which millions of people are unknown, unknown to the law. Law enforcement will face fewer problems with undocumented workers, and will be better able to focus on the true threats to our nation from criminals and terrorists. And when temporary workers can travel legally and freely, there will be more efficient management of our borders and more effective enforcement against those who pose a danger to our country.

This new system will be more compassionate. Decent, hard-working people will now be protected by labor laws, with the right to change jobs, earn fair wages, and enjoy the same working conditions that the law requires for American workers. Temporary workers will be able to establish their identities by obtaining the legal documents we all take for granted. And they will be able to talk openly to authorities, to report crimes when they are harmed, without the fear of being deported.

The best way, in the long run, to reduce the pressures that create illegal immigration in the first place is to expand economic opportunity among the countries in our neighborhood. In a few days I will go to Mexico for the Special Summit of the Americas, where we will discuss ways to advance free trade, and to fight corruption, and encourage the reforms that lead to prosperity. Real growth and real hope in the nations of our hemisphere will lessen the flow of new immigrants to America when more citizens of other countries are able to achieve their dreams at their own home.

Yet our country has always benefited from the dreams that others have brought here. By working hard for a better life, immigrants contribute to the life of our nation. The temporary worker program I am proposing today represents the best tradition of our society, a society that honors the law, and welcomes the newcomer. This plan will help return order and fairness to our immigration system, and in so doing we will honor our values, by showing our respect for those who work hard and share in the ideals of America.

May God bless you all.

[Windshark]

:-)

Hey...you started all this stuff!

I really think we are all feeling the same thing, or close to it. I think W has stepped in it big time. The Pubbies have pandered too much in the attempt to reach for the middle and "electability". W is not using the bully pulpit to move the middle to the right, rather is being silent in the face of outrageous criticism and our principles are being gored (I didn't mean to use that word!)

That being said.....I wish I had an answer. Letting the Rats win is the worst possible alternative.

[Windshark]

Thanks for the copy.

I have been a huge supporter of W. In bringing up the debate he was more than right.

I just don't like his proposal. I think it was wrong and short sighted. I'm open to being shown otherwise, but closing fast.

I'm actually more upset about the continual spending and expanding of all forms of government. That had some reason while our economy was in the balance and deflating after the "bubble bust" and 9/11. It's time to stop. It was time to stop 6 months ago.

[sweetliberty]

Well, to change the subject, I got a new picture of Tyler yesterday. I can't believe how big he's getting.

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[Windshark]

Cute kid.

*Sigh*

A liberal cliche sometimes, but they're the reason to fight the good fight.

[sweetliberty]

Yeah. You're right. You gotta wonder about the kind of country they will inherit.

[Windshark]

One thing for sure, if we give up, it will get worse.

On the other hand......who would have guessed what would happen when Carter was Pres. and we were in free fall as a country.

The mystery of life.

Ain't it grand.

[Canadian Outrage]

Sure they hand out life sentences with no chance of parole for at least 10 years. A habitual criminal tho can be held forever. Trouble is, they have to keep killing people before they are labelled habitual. It's mushy if you ask me. I do remember when we had the death penalty but Liberals don't like that ya know.

[Conservababe]

Rush is right. Republicans are their own worst enemies. When things are going our way, we get depressed and vote the good guys out. LOL

[grannie9]

I've never been registered as anything but an Independent, and if that's wrong so be it. I'm a consevative..but not so strictly so, that I can't be a "Boston Blackie" too.

Only us old ones would know who I'm talking about. An old radio show. He was called the friend to those who have no friend... lol. In other words I 'can' be socially liberal to a point.. lol.

[westmex]

Did someone say WalMart??

.....Westy.....