Slavery Question: Please Help.

Electron1(Myself)

[electron1]

Hello Everyone,

I am having a discussion with an extremely liberal friend of mine, and he made the claim that only Christian white societies have ever been involved in slavery. I know this isn't true, but for the life of me, can't come up with any counter examples.

Can anybody here assist me in finding counter examples, and resources to back them up?

thanks.

[LibWhacker]

Here's a picture of a clay tablet the British Museum has from ancient Mesopotamia. It reads:

15 shekels of silver. From Ili-bitim to Ili-dan, the son of Shugat of Ura'im, and to Dudu.

Buy me two slaves. They should be young and have no beard. Send them to me with my messenger.

Shallala, his sister, and Abu-damiq, his mother, and Nani now live in Subartu.

Found it here. I saw from somewhere else that this tablet dates to 2420BC.

[lepton]

When the Aztecs were conquered, the Spanish took their empire with a force of only 500 men. How'd they do that? The freed the huge nuymbers of slaves along the way, and so Mexico City was hit with a force of around 4 million freed slaves.

[Phantom Lord]

Up mine? You posted a claim that was quickly shown to be false, USING YOUR OWN LINKED SOURCE!!!

[Phantom Lord]

Oh, and I am due very little respect.

[Mark17]

Thanks for the info.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Galatians 3:27-28

Another place where the idea of, "we are all one in Christ." is found.

[wardaddy]

LOL....

don't you know?

The oppression of blacks of African heritage by evil white Southerners is the absolute worse thing that has ever happened since human beings were first created.

I mean the worst....we must all bow at the altar of contrition.

(sarcoff)

[wardaddy]

got link on the 4 million slaves?

not flaming...just ignorant.

[Bonaparte]

"How'd they do that?"

Easy.

[Agitate]

Sudan: Black Muslims are enslaving Christians and have been for the ast 20 years. Black people here don't cry out about it.

Actually those are Arab Muslims who are enslaving and murdering black african Christians and Animists in the south, to clear oil land for European oil companys. Isn't that interesting, considering all the "no blood for oil" signs we have seen from the loony left in Europe?

Anyone know what Louie Farrahkan has to say about his Muslim brothers in Sudan?

Here's some excerpts from articles on Sudan that expose slavery perpetrated by Arab Muslims and the complicity of European Oil companies:

Slavery and Slavery Redemption in the Sudan:

Human Rights Watch has long denounced the contemporary form of slavery practiced in Sudan in the context of the fifteen-year civil war. This practice is conducted almost entirely by government-backed and armed militia of the Baggara tribe in western Sudan, and it is directed mostly at the civilian Dinka population of the southern region of Bahr El Ghazal. The government's purpose in arming this tribal militia, known as muraheleen, seems to be to conduct a cost-reduced counterinsurgency war against the Sudan People's Liberation Movement/Army (SPLM/A), which is identified with the Dinka tribe of southern Sudan. Thus the tribal militia, often operating with government troops and usually transported into Bahr El Ghazal by military train, raids with impunity civilian Dinka villages, looting cattle and food as well as abducting women and children for use as domestic slaves and sometimes as "wives" or concubines. The abductees are considered war booty, although the muraheleen diligently avoid any attacks on military targets and do not attack villages where the SPLA might be present. Their purpose is to abduct and loot, not to risk themselves in combat. Their "war" effort is directed exclusively towards civilians, which is a gross violation of international humanitarian law.

In its reports Children of Sudan: Slaves, Street Children and Child Soldiers (1995) and Behind the Red Line (1996) as well as in its forthcoming report Famine in Sudan, 1998: the Human Rights Causes, Human Rights Watch describes the practice of slavery and provides testimonies of its victims. The abducted children and women often lead lives of extreme deprivation and cruelty at the hands of their masters. Many are physically and sexually abused, and forced to live at a standard well below that of their captors (sleeping on the floor, minimum food, no chance for education). Beatings for "disobedience" are common. They are denied their ethnic heritage, language, religion, and identity as they are cut off from their families and are held by Arabic-speaking captors, most of whom rename the abductees with Arabic names and some of whom coerce the children and women into adopting Islam....

Sudan Government Tops List of Those Causing Agony for Oil

Since Sudan began producing oil two years ago, pumping crude in fields near here, Nyekek Luok has been wandering on foot, terrified and uprooted by fierce new fighting in the continent's longest and most murderous civil war.

Ms. Luok, a peasant woman in her 30's, said government soldiers and an allied militia invaded her village last year. Five relatives, three men and two women, were killed and her 15-year-old daughter was kidnapped, never to be seen again.

"It was terrible," she said, cradling an infant in her arms. "Even if you gave birth a few days earlier, they raped you." Asked if that had happened to her, she looked down and said, "Yes."

Her account of suffering has become all too familiar in southern Sudan, where the oil fields have become the big prize in the 18- year battle between the Islamic Arab north and the non-Muslim black Africans of the south....

Latest News from Sudan at Sudan.net:
Bush extends sanctions against Sudan for another year
Sudan plans to increase oil production by a quarter

This one is dated, Canada has since pulled it's oil interest in Sudan, but it gives background:

Oil companies in Sudan complicit in depopulation of large areas:
15-03-01 Oil companies operating in Sudan are complicit in the systematic depopulating of large areas of the country and atrocities against civilians, tens of thousands of whom have been killed and displaced from the areas around the oil fields, according to a report to be published.

Christian Aid, in a searing report on the consequences of Sudan's new oil bonanza, accuses the oil companies of deep involvement in the government's war machine against southern civilians. The companies are protected by government forces and allow their airstrips and roads to be used by the military, while the revenues from oil are funding expansion of the war, the report says. The report includes dozens of eyewitness accounts from villages where people have been driven out by bombing and ground attacks.

"Oil has brought death," said one Nuer chief, Malony Kolang. "When the pumping began, the war began. Antonovs and helicopter gun ships began attacking the villages. All the farms have been destroyed, everything around the oil fields has been destroyed."

Christian Aid's report calls on foreign oil companies -- from Canada, Sweden, China, France and Austria -- to suspend their operations in Sudan. It also calls for BP and Shell to divest their shares in firms whose parent company is involved. The report accuses the oil companies of trying to distance themselves from the catastrophe of southern Sudan by claiming they are not responsible for the behaviour of companies in which they are shareholders....

A brutal regime persists in a distracted world

One essential element of the travesty in Geneva is Libya's chairing of this session of the UN Commission on Human Rights. A more grotesque spectacle is difficult to imagine. But Libya has been ably helped by the European Union, and France in particular.

...France's oil giant TotalFinaElf has enormous, but presently inaccessible, concession rights in southern Sudan. Perversely, upgrading Khartoum's human rights status makes it much more likely that the regime will be able to extend its scorched-earth tactics to “secure” these concessions for TotalFinaElf.

[Nitro]

You're right, whoever built that wall over 5,000 years ago is my enemy.

Or is it the link?

The up yours was for the mocking you gave me for admitting I was wrong.

I was wrong again, for being so proud.

[cyborg]

http://www.wallbuilders.com Also, RC Sproul from Ligonier Ministries... ask christians who have preached about this very same issue. You will very reasoned responses, explanations and how to have an intelligent, rational discussion.

I'm sure what your friend probably has in mind is that christian societies should have known better, as opposed to being the only ones perpetuating slavery. Even so, anyone can call themselves 'christian' but not really be so.

[Agitate]

Slavery today from iabolish.com

It has a nice interactive map describing slavery all over the world.


God Bless America

[wardaddy]

I would submit that the slavers in question are actually Caucazoid-Negroid hybrid that populate the Sudan. There is no question of course that the Muslim Sudanese are usually lighter somewhat than say the Dinka who are rather pure Negroid.

Just a minor point....

No, I have not been in that particular region of Africa but I did have a ship's captain from Khartoum...Muslim...and he was in my view casually speaking...about half black and half white.

And a damned good captain, alas...he is now incarcerated here.

[Agitate]

I would submit that the slavers in question are actually Caucazoid-Negroid hybrid that populate the Sudan.

I wouldn't argue that point, and I wouldn't doubt your account is accurate. I've never been anywhere near Sudan either(thank God) and from reading the articles the slavers are referred to as Arabic or speakers of Arabic. They may be a mix. Whatever they may be identified with racially, they are not European Christians and that is one ugly situation.

[Richard Axtell]

Your friend is assuming you will not do your homework. Prove him wrong. He is either a believer in some very fraudulent anti-Christian hate-prop, or rather simple minded and uses excuses and assumptions to make up for his ignorance of history. First of all, ALL cultures and societies have held slaves in some fashion and at some point in their history, including Africans and Native American tribes and civilizations. The Arabs were the first to trade in African slaves, even before the spread of Islam. So many other posters have included excellent links proving these contentions, that I won't bother duplicating them, but one thing is certain, your friend has NO IDEA what he is talking about!

[wardaddy]

indeed....probably the world's most obvious slaving hot spot.

[Lijahsbubbe]

Show off. ; )

[Lijahsbubbe]

Shallala, his sister, and Abu-damiq, his mother, and Nani now live in Subartu.

Any relation to Donna?

[ETERNAL WARMING]

And let us not forget that there were BLACK plantation owners who had slaves in the South.