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Al Qaeda again threatens New York, Washington and Los Angeles - Daily Terror Threat
Debka ^ | 11-3-2003 | Staff

Posted on 11/03/2003 9:17:27 AM PST by tubavil

Edited on 01/26/2004 3:58:09 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Monday, November 3, 2003

A new message was posted in the last few hours by the Jeddah-based al-Qaeda-linked Al-Islah (Reform) society calling on Muslims to flee New York, Washington and Los Angeles in advance of major al Qaeda attacks in those cities. This is revealed by DEBKAfile.

The message accuses the United States of predetermining its end (doom) by its policies. ?The Jews rule the Pentagon by remote control and (are the cause) of Muslims being killed in every corner of the world. The United States should therefore expect more blows.?

The message is signed on behalf of the al Bayan (The Threat) movement by ?your warrior brother, Abul Hassan al Khadrami?.

Our Muslim expert identifies the name of the signatory as belonging to a Yemeni from Hadhrameuth, the Bin Ladens? place of origin where Osama enjoys substantial tribal support.

DEBKAfile?s counter-terror sources stress that warnings appearing on these forums are taken both very seriously and with caution by the intelligence services keeping track of the terrorist network?s electronic traffic.

Last November, Jeddah-based fundamentalist forums addressed a message to an Al Qaeda member, saying whoever understands ? understands; whoever knows, knows, but we are marching towards an operation that will take us to Paradise. Three days later, the Mombasa Paradise hotel was blown up killing 12 Kenyans and 3 Israelis and a failed shoulder-launched Strela anti-air missile missed an Israeli airliner at Mombasa airport.

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To: Luke Skyfreeper
My head aches. Didn't Velveeta tend to that. What is it you are looking for, anyway?
8,361 posted on 01/08/2004 5:06:42 PM PST by Letitring
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To: Letitring
I'm looking for the original article, reported by debka to be in "Il Giornale," wherein it was reported that al Qaeda threatens to nuke NYC by Feb 2.

The ORIGINAL article, in Italian.

8,362 posted on 01/08/2004 5:10:22 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
oooooooooh. Okay. Sorry, just trying to help. I'll look again. I googled and found the nwsppr.
8,363 posted on 01/08/2004 5:13:27 PM PST by Letitring
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
Okay, that's a pretty good search engine via the link I gave. Do you know the article name and date?
8,364 posted on 01/08/2004 5:15:50 PM PST by Letitring
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To: Letitring
No, debka didn't give it.

Any reasonable reporter would've given more info on the original source.

I've looked, googling for things like, new york al qaeda giornale nucleare, haven't found anything, I give.
8,365 posted on 01/08/2004 5:21:00 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Luke Skyfreeper; Letitring
If the article was in Italian, the search would have to be done in Italian.

Why not email Debka for more information?
8,366 posted on 01/08/2004 5:25:36 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
I'll have to give it up tonight, too. I'll be glad to try again tomorrow, if you'll remind me. Sorry. I'd like to read it myself. It sure sounds important, if true.
8,367 posted on 01/08/2004 5:27:20 PM PST by Letitring
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To: Calpernia
Unless, LayoutGuru, is this the new Daleel? Or a joke Daleel?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/daleel_almojahid4/

Based on the group's poste description, I'd say it is a joke:

We Support the great screw with a sheep and massive camel ejaculation

8,368 posted on 01/08/2004 5:47:06 PM PST by LayoutGuru2 (Call me paranoid but finding '/*' inside this comment makes me suspicious)
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To: LayoutGuru2
I've been watching a few other things and haven't read the boards. I remember that other Daleel site had some bogus posts or pics too.

Thanks for the update.
8,369 posted on 01/08/2004 5:57:47 PM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Calpernia
Thanks Calpernia.
8,370 posted on 01/08/2004 6:13:56 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: JustPiper
JP: Please keep in mind that this is all speculation -- much of what is on this thread other than actual news articles posted is all speculation. No one has been sitting on this I am certain. And there may be no such letter of demands, no nuke, etc. This is just a question I am tossing out there, i.e., is there a list of demands that the countdown clock is contingent upon and if so, what type of strike is awaiting. I, for one, love the Rummy quote about the paranoids not missing any plots! You and all the rest of us Freepers are excellent at devising plots. ;)

You will remember this post copied below of 8 demands from Daleel. It has been posted on this massive thread in one form or another, whether in portions or perhaps as a whole, I am not sure. It mentions cave of darkness, led [sic] wire, etc. It appeared right before the countdown clock and the video of American Hell (or something similar) internet postings. Here is a post of the threat -- which does not mention nukes per se -- by caseyb from the alneda forum over at ItsHappening.com:

Date: Sat Dec 20, 2003 6:12 pm

Subject: An Urgent letter to the American Administration from Al-Qaida

An Urgent letter to the American Administration from Al-Qaida

In the name of God the almighty

It is insane avoiding reading the following words with out having a clear, wise and fast decision.

As soon as possible because time is a critical element in the coming attack and is more important than any time in human history.

We can tell you that the wire has been led up and it's in its final stages and nothing will stop it but God and the wisdom of the Arab rules and the non Arab rules, we can tell you that we are people from you and with in you, planning with you and have knowledge of all your planes.

We warn you that time is running fast so fast that it's getting harder to turn out the led fire in the wire.

And the out come of the attack will be unbelievable and unexpected to you.

Upon that any wrong move the administration takes in directing its policy will lead you to the (cave of darkness)

And that's the name of the coming operation that will stop the (9) and their people and destroy them forever, although we apologize from now to the human race from the hardship that will affect them as an aftermath to the attack, but it is a less hardship for us than to see continents slaved, we apologize in advance to the American people and to the European community's but you have stud hand in hand with your governments and left the Jews take control of the rest of the world.

The childish playing with earth is not a simple thing, we know that and we plane things very carefully more careful than you could ever imagine and also assessed the deaths expected and their numbers that humanity can take.

You know that order number (8) has been issued, but you don't know that we know, and now we tell you and now you know.

And this order is the last life line and the only chance to drop cold water on the led wire, so let it be that your answer to us be fast and with actions from the highest levels in the American administration, and know that we will be all open ears to you and we will be up to date with your answer once you have decided to take the right decision from your side.

We know that you didn't go on doing to the world what your doing with out a long and well study, but we tell you that you don't have much time with us and we wont accept any further thinking or more time, you have started this war not us!

We highly request that the final decision that will come out comes from highly respected people in the administration due to the high boiling point that has reached now and the possibility of stopping this wheel is still on and is not impossible and you know what we mean.

Upon the following facts mentioned, you know our demands well, but we will put them down again so that the world will forgive us for what will happen soon due to your arrogance and childish acts of dictatorship and your love of being under the Jewish rule being slaved under them under all kinds of names.

We here by say, our demands are real and what we ask for is ours, and we wont pull back on the real Christians or Jews, they will find us to be a nation that has believed in God and our religion Islam which is the last religion will haven them all under its wings and will give them more than what they have got from any other religion although we don't believe that any other religion beside the three religions is right.

Our demands,

1. The complete and right away stop of your (masked) invasion of our Islamic lands in any part of the world east or west.

2. Taking out the (illegal immigrants that came back to the land of Palestine) which you have records of all of them in your archives.

3. The return of all the Muslim money stolen in (Gold) not in any kind of money note. As we have mentioned to you before.

4. The returning of the old borders known to you and we press on the northern borders.

5. The release of all our prisoners in your jails whom you know and we know only.

6. The dismantle of the so called (United Nations and its council) in an international decision.

7. We share with you the importance of water and oil and we share the idea of it staying as it is but the pricing of oil is left to us and we promise you to make it available at a reasonable price for poor and for rich nations.

8. we here by advise you to take fast decisions to stop order number (8), It's the thin line between us and you, and you have to answer us as soon as possible, as we told you before the glass of cold water is with in your hands and the wire is in front of you in its final stage to destroying what you have built for years in secret but God has made us be your stopping mountain that appeared upon you, the daylight nightmare that will stand against you, and we know that the smartest in you wont be able to discover how to drop the glass of cold water on our wire with out our help, but you will be forced even if you don't want to. We have given you the solution, so either you are with us or against us, that's your way of thinking isn't it! But we know that you are not with us but you will be forced to be (and we have warned). It is not in our morals to attack you with such a big attack with out a warning, we wont do what you did to us times and times before under the rule of the devilish tree that was planted by (whom you know) feeding it and giving it water with your blessings as you enslaved your self's and your people under their rule.

All you have to do now is to stand up for once a real stand for your own good and the good of your nation and people that will be attacked by total destruction (cave of darkness), and history will re-write that your punishment was a combined punishment of all the nations that came before you and walked your same path. And you will then cry like women in your underground caves.

And it will be fair enough for you to see that for us knowing that you will run away hiding in your underground caves, we will give you a prior few minutes notice before our blessed attack so that you will be able to watch your destruction with your own satellite as we would be by then have passed the sky's of the seventh sky to heaven and your nation to the fires of hell, and what and end for letting you govern them and move them to the direction of hell and what a direction!

Praise to God almighty.

Islamic Jihad Brigade
(Black Death Squad)
8th Squad (Squad of order #8)

(19/19/19/23)

Daleel_Almojahid
Al-Qaida

P.S. JP: Don't you just love how the post is signed so boldly "Al-Qaida?" Ha ha! Again, the Daleel poster or posters may be sitting back and laughing, but, hey, we are laughing, too.

8,371 posted on 01/08/2004 6:46:18 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: eastforker
I agree. Between now and the State of The Union Adress.
8,372 posted on 01/08/2004 6:50:10 PM PST by Mossad1967
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To: hummingbird; Letitring
hummingbird the url of the guy that shot and killed the woman that worked for the Defense Dept. is Patrick Gott. I did a google search on his name and remember this:

Cops: Muslim Shoots 2 at Airport Over Joke About Turban

NewsMax.com Wires

Friday, May 24, 2002

NEW ORLEANS – A bond of more than $1 million was set Thursday for a Muslim accused of wounding two people with a 12-gauge shotgun at the airport because he said someone joked about his turban.

Patrick Gott, 43, of Pensacola, Fla., was assigned a court-appointed attorney and ordered to undergo a medical evaluation, according to Justice of the Peace Vernon Wilty. Gott claimed he could not afford a lawyer.

Bond was set at $500,000 on each of two charges of attempted murder and $500 on an illegal weapons charge. He was held at Jefferson Parish Jail.

Gott was arrested after he shot two people late Wednesday near a ticket counter at Louis Armstrong International Airport.

One of the victims, a 45-year-old California woman, was in stable but guarded condition at Kenner Regional Hospital. The second victim was treated and released.

Jefferson Parish Sheriff Harry Lee said Thursday the shooting occurred near a ticket counter and not in the secured concourse area. He said two bystanders prevented further bloodshed by wrestling Gott to the ground after he fired one shot.

'Bloodbath'

"If those two guys had not jumped him, there could have been a bloodbath out there," he said.

Lee said Gott had four more shells in the magazine of the pump shotgun and 15 more shells stuffed in his pockets.

Gott told investigators that he was angered when someone at the terminal joked about the turban he was wearing on his head, but Lee said the suspect has told other stories and his officers are still investigating his motive.

Gott was at the terminal to drop his niece off for a flight, accompanied by his mother.

The former Marine had the shotgun stuffed inside a 4-foot-long piece of plastic pipe, which was inside a green duffle bag, according to Lee. He opened fire near the Southwest Airlines ticket counter.

Praise Allah and Pass the Ammo

Gott was carrying a copy of the Koran too. He is a Muslim who recites the Koran daily, he told police.

An attorney who represented Gott in a 1998 South Carolina bankruptcy case described the former Marine as "eccentric" in an interview with the New Orleans Times-Picayune.

"He was not your typical Joe, straight-arrow type," Philip L. Fairbanks said of Gott. "He was a bit eccentric. But he was always perfectly capable of dealing with me. He seemed to be pretty well in touch with reality."

Jefferson Parish authorities said Gott had no criminal record.

Copyright 2002 by United Press International.

All rights reserved.

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8,373 posted on 01/08/2004 6:51:59 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: FairOpinion
Thanks FairOpinion. This is something I am resolute on. I am afraid we will stumble badly if we do not stick together. As much as I am dazed and confused over the illegal immigration announcement, I think it is vital that we have GWB in office for 4 more years! And we know GWB is sly as a fox (and far slyer than vicente fox).
8,374 posted on 01/08/2004 6:54:20 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:DuYKSapzK-gJ:www.fas.org/faspir/2002/v55n2/dirtybomb.htm+Nuclear+threats+NYC&hl=en&start=24&ie=UTF-8

This is an interesting read and talks about degrees of damage a dirty nuke would cause in NYC. It's from one of their planning committees?
8,375 posted on 01/08/2004 7:00:00 PM PST by Letitring
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To: Mossad1967
ABC radio news reporting threat level back down to "Yellow" early next week.

(If threats are real, not just Jihadi BS), Attack to follow shortly thereafter.
8,376 posted on 01/08/2004 7:10:50 PM PST by Mossad1967
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To: oceanview
They are all very good observations and questions, oceanview. I also cannot square al qaeda having WMDs but not yet using them. But a little something in my persona somewhere is also making me ask if there might be a rationale for waiting. I mean, we know they were working on some WMDs, e.g., al qaeda killed animals using their chem or bio weapons. Perhaps the delivery method is where they lacked know-how. But prior to 911, how hard would it have been to use them on unsuspecting Americans even in a rough method to kill many of us in conjunction with the hijacked aircraft missiles? Or is that where the anthrax attacks derived? ;) Well, the Feds sure know exactly what was found in the caves of Afghanistan. They know what is possible.

Sometimes, I wonder, is it possible that there is a very simplistic answer to this? Did usama really believe that the 911 attacks would make us withdraw from the Muslim world and have us quivering inside our own borders only? It seems that he did successfully beat back Russia, and they successfully saw us withdraw from Bosnia. So I do wonder about this... Because perhaps usama thought he would not have to take his attacks to a mass destruction level... I just don't know, but I really want to find out, dammit!

8,377 posted on 01/08/2004 7:13:14 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
And it was a front pager to boot.
8,378 posted on 01/08/2004 7:16:27 PM PST by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: Mossad1967
well, why not take it a step further. if they have a nuke, the entire legislative, executive, judicial, and top military will all be in one place at one time. can you think of a better opportunity for them? I mean, if they could set this thing off tonight, or tomorrow, why not during the state of the union?
8,379 posted on 01/08/2004 7:20:39 PM PST by oceanview
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To: oceanview
True.
8,380 posted on 01/08/2004 7:23:09 PM PST by Mossad1967
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