Posted on 09/22/2025 7:08:57 AM PDT by delta7
Russia Waited for NATO Cargo Planes to Land—Then 3000Kg Warhead Destroyed Ukraine's Air Base….
You can’t defeat the Russian money supporting these posts.
This is the same tired argument you wannabe know-it-alls, who really know nothing but what you have heard, and believe because you believe those telling you what you think you know.
What exactly is your source of knowledge regarding Russia?
But that has nothing to do with what I am talking about. I am talking about the real threat that NATO expansion into a nation next door to Russia provides, just as Kennedy recognized when the Soviet Union wanted to place nuclear weapons in Cuba that were the same type of threat we placed on the Soviet Union, who actually deserved to be threatened based upon their actions.
Russia today is nothing like the former Soviet Union does it have some leftover traits, or is the issue more likely to be leftover beliefs that Russia is still the Soviet Union?
The answer is most likely that both are the cause.
Just as it took time for this nation to live up to the founding documents of our nation, it also takes time for the nation Russia to toss off some of the negative aspects of the former Soviet Union.
By holding on to some of our biases against Russia, were leftover biases formed by the former Soviet Union. These biases were not positive for either nation.
Thus, I do not need to have intimate knowledge regarding Russia, for what is important is to understand relationships. Had we formed a more inclusive relationship, as Reagan had done, has far more success than does a relationship built on mistrust. Reagan's method was to trust, but verify. In dealing with Russia we repeatedly lied to them, on NATO expansion, along with our sincerity to work for a peaceful solution to the Ukraine/Russia conflict.
while Russia was indeed looking for a peaceful solution, we were not doing the same.
The evidence is there, and Angela Merkle laid bare that evidence when she said the quiet part out loud. Peace was not the goal, kinetic warfare was the desired outcome with the goal being to destroy Russia.
I have zero delusions regarding Russia, I also have zero delusions about Ukraine, and now I have zero delusions about our nation as well.
I still have deep admiration for our nation, because it has been one of the best nations to have ever been created, but we are not perfect, and that becomes obvious when we elect a human that has deep flaws that reflects badly upon us all.
You ignore reality, allowing yourself to overlook our flaws when we have a very flawed leader who leads us into situations that are unjustified. I want to aim higher.
This conflict was unjustified. We, the EU, & NATO are as much to blame as is Russia, and perhaps even more so, because we supposedly have ideals, but I saw none that I can gold on to. Instead, I see deceit that is not akin to the Lord, but rather is the tool of Satan himself, and I cannot stand with deceit.
Your refusal to acknowledge this truth is your problem. It's not my problem whatsoever. But you had better examine yourself for that.
I have been consistent with my condemnation of this conflict, that you have been supporting, because it was based entirely upon lies & deceit.
There was a time where this conflict could have been resolved very easily taking the morel high ground by removing the threat of NATO expansion into Ukraine.
Lives would have been spared, Ukraine would be whole, stability would be present, and the threat of an escalation wouldn't be a concern at all. No bombing would be taking place or being reported on Which means this discussion would not even be taking place.
So, I ask again the question that you refuse to answer; how has our involvement in this conflict been a positive to the U.S. or for anyone else?
Where did you get your knowledge? God?
“they are a major super power, and should be negotiated with and respected accordingly.”
Well yes.
And they shouldn’t invade neighboring countries.
While the Lord plays a prominent role in my life, his teachings on the topic of Russia, is not one of his teaching I have enjoyed from knowing him. But I answered that question already with my comments that I understand relationships, which I attribute to knowing the Lord.
I guess you really do not pay attention as well.
So, now will you dare to share where your knowledge of Russia comes from? Not that I see that as being that important. It was just your assertion that I know zero about Russia, which prompted my question to you.
Lol so you disregard your best and impressive source of knowledge about Russia.
But that’s fine like me you are entitled to your opinion.
Ok I reread, I thought your grandfather was also a lord.
Good background, unfortunately we will continue to disagree about Russia and NATO.
I hope to see Edinburgh next summer.
Do the Castle. It was amazing to see the carved graffiti from John Paul Jones’ sailors in the prison/dungeon portion and see where they made counterfeit british money to buy food from the scots. The scots willingly took the fake money and put it into circulation to hurt the british war effort in the colonies
Thanks!
You still refuse to state where you get your knowledge from.
You are a very disingenuous person, sadly.
Worse you still refuse to acknowledge the truth that a proxy war was designed to push Russia into a kinetic conflict with Ukraine, just as color-revolutions are by design to promote unrest that leads to a coup d'état. Which was also used against Russia in a nation that had a leader that favored Russia, but was duly elected in Ukraine as ruled by observers.
They even did it here in the U.S.
Sadly we can now see who is consistent in using these tactics to replace leaders that the Deep State disagrees with.
It was acceptable when it was in foreign nations, or at least it was tolerated.
When it was executed in our country, it crossed the Rubicon, but apparently, not for you. You still act as if nothing untoward has occurred, and they again blamed Russia for Trump being elected in 2016.
After an investigation was done that absolved Russia of not helping Trump to be elected. But in your mind, Russia is still guilty in Ukraine, because what you think you know, is what you have been told. In other words, it is all based on the biases you have been brainwashed to accept that Russia is bad and is by default the nation that is always accused. Not sure how you avoided adopting the "Orange Man Bad" mantra as well. Unless you are hiding your true feelings on Trump.
I sincerely pray that you find your way to the Lord.
I tried to be friendlier with you.
Now forgive me, but I notice the kooks who are apologists for Russia, blame NATO and the West for everything (i.e. Leftists);
Often keep demanding that others must answer their demands. And when I ignore your demands, you start calling names.
If you think the source of your knowledge is your grandfather, bless you.
But it’s very unlikely that in your grandfather’s lifetime he addressed the current state of affairs involving Russia and NATO.
Your ranting about pushing Russia into a “kinetic war” is nonsense.
Russia invaded, and has kept attacking Ukraine for over 3 years now. If you believe they were “forced” then you are not in touch with even basic reality.
As President Trump just said yesterday or today, the Russian operation was expected to last three days. The ineptitude and inhumanity of still fighting in Ukraine, not Russia, three years later is unbefitting a “great power” or any power.
If your grandfather taught you that NATO wanted to attack Russia and was not to be trusted, he would have been a somewhat unusual military attache to Great Britain following WW2. But so be it.
Suffice it to say 2 things. 1 you are wrong. 2 I’ve lived long enough that I don’t need to write you a dissertation on the “source of my knowledge” regarding Russia or NATO.
Nor, by the way, did you display any “knowledge” of the matter beyond what any number of lightweight isolationist leftists have been spewing on tv.
You drank the anti NATO Kool Aid and how you find it satisfying.
Once again, President Trump is now president and he hates this war but has not adopted your policies. I will stick with him and glad to hear you support our president.
And my friend, I have never been “brainwashed” and disagreeing with you is not evidence of such. It’s just another disrespectful leftist tactic on your part.
How much interventionism do you see in Rwanda? East Timor? Or today Haiti, Mali, South Sudan?
Our level of concern is directly proportional to the economic value a nation presents to us.
In fact, if you are Iraq, Venezuela, Syria and Libya, we might bring “democracy” to your country whether you ask for it or not.
Quaddaffi wasn’t even caught yet, and you already had US oil execs meeting in Libya with our state department deciding on how things are getting divided up.
Politics is about money: lobbying, campaigns, the party itself, litigation, PACs, paying off the politicians and their family (and MOST are getting rich) all costs money.
In America, you buy the political system and that is why we have had the position we had towards China for all these years, how Disney single handedly changed US copyright laws, why certain vaccines become mandatory for children in public schools, etc. etc. etc.
He just got caught, plus he’s a Republican so the MSM will throw him under the bus in a second: https://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/15/opinion/krumholz-beckel-perry-pharmaceutical. But this is how things really work.
Those with money overwhelming influence the political apparatus in all Western democracies. It probably has been that way since ancient Greece and it’s an inherent trait of this type of system.
That said, in the Cold War you had a power balance, which no longer exists today. China is just now entering the stage and Russia declined in 1991 - 1994. People like you simply live in the past. The US, left as the world’s only super power (unipolar world), quickly learned that its military muscle could be used to attain political and economic goals with near impunity. This is evidenced by our military operational tempo INCREASING post Cold War, not decreasing like one would expect.
Russia today is not even really a near peer and they are merely trying to hold onto what they have, with us crawling all over them and gobbling up the remnants of their empire (those parts that are economically valuable to us).
Ukraine however posed a direct and large-scale national security threat to them (conventional, unconventional and nuclear) and they couldn’t let that slide. Even EU membership Russia was willing to go along with, but further NATO expansion along their border (besides us outright lying about this) poses a problem.
Ukraine is where Russia had to stand their ground and we were the ones to “force the issue.”
There was no eminent threat that required us to fast track Ukraine into NATO at exactly that time. The forces that dictated that move had NOTHING to do with our or any NATO countries security.
However, there has been a push for a long time to get Ukraine into the EU and NATO by economic and political interests. For your big multi-national corporations, financial institutions, oligarchs like Soros (a big proponent of NATO expansion) these institutions are like an insurance policy for their investments. NATO for us also means influence in European affairs (not really a classical conservative concept). EU expansion without a corresponding NATO expansion is a bad deal for us.
Ukraine was in simplified terms “a gamble.” We had overthrown the government in 2014, installed our own which was vehimently anti-Russian and began purging all Russian influence in their government even though as much as 20% of Ukraine is ethnic Russian.
We had armed Ukraine over 7 years, trained them, provided Intel, and Ukraine was fairly capable even before our assistance. The gamble: will Russia really be willing to pay the price in stopping us or aquiscience?
We have our answer.
Nice anti American leftist rant. Congratulations you are a 70’s hippie democrat.
You live in a fantasy world where the United States is evil and putting the destruction of poor Russia.
In plain English, horseshit.
President Trump wants nothing more than friendly relations with Russia.
Russia could have day there peacefully for the next 300 years and no one in America or NATO would have dreamed of attacking Russia.
Russia is attacking its neighbor, not for 3 months to teach the West some lesson, but for more than three years of destruction.
Russia is an aggressor. Period.
I suggest that because you continue to blame America even as President Trump tries to make peace, you get the hell out and move to the more virtuous country.
And stop telling people who know what’s going on that they “live in the past”
You hippies are still living in 1970.
In other words Williams, I eventually see & acknowledge the truth.
As I have clearly stated, I love this nation, but I no longer can stand & defend when our country behaves in a manner that supports the leftist motto; the ends justify the means.
I never supported slavery, but I also understand that not dealing with slavery at the founding of this nation was necessary, but doing so still created problems for this nation, even though it drove this nation into a Civil War to right the wrongs that were not dealt with.
That Civil War was justified, because a part of the nation was not going to end slavery on its own.
In the case of Ukraine/Russia, NATO was created to counter the Soviet Union. NATO really had no reason to continue to exist, because the Soviet Union had imploded..
NATO's existence was a threat to the nation of Russia, because it still considered Russia to be exactly like the Soviet Union, and its promise to not expand eastward not being honored only continued to raise the tensions.
NATO then broke its designated creation as a defensive alliance veered into an offensive one when it conducted offensive air operations in and around Sarajevo during the Bosnian War, marking a significant shift in its role from a defensive alliance to an active participant in combat.
That, my non-thinking fellow freeper, was a major game changer as far as Russia was concerned, and open served to heighten the fears of Russia.
Just as our fears were heightened as communism kept expanding in out hemisphere. Thanks to the Democrats, we allowed that expansion to continue unabated.
Russia was not about to make that same mistake, because they observed the danger it has placed upon the survival of the U.S. Putin's love for his country, is admirable, when you compare it to the wanton willfulness as to how our leaders have abdicated the sovereignty of this nation over the last several decades.
The theft of the 2020 election, assisted by the beginning with the color-revolution ignited by the death of a drug-addicted man who happened to be black that his substance abuse was the cause of his death, not the actions of the police who were observing a lawfully determined use of restraint to subdue and control a person that was resisting the police officers. The coroner determines he died due to the substance he had taken, not the actions of the police, yet one sits in prison to this day. Then a bio-engineered pathogen, Covis-19, was released upon the world to also assist in that election theft, which in reality was a coup d'état, just the same as was executed in Ukraine.
Do you think any of this escaped Putin & Russia attention?
Unlike you, they recognize things that literally fly right over your head. Again, these actions only further raised the temperature. It also heightened their determination to prevent having NATO be located directly next to Russia.
Its called protecting their sovereignty.
Donald John Trump recaptured the White House because the person installed via the coup d'état had thrown wide open the gates of America as the enemies from within tried to assist the external enemies to cement the capture of & destruction of this nation.
While useful people such as yourself, who operate on emotion instead of critical thinking, ignored what was happening to this nation, ad instead turned your attention on saving Ukraine's sovereignty from the evil Putin/Russia.
I do not need you to be friendlier to me. I want you to wake up as to what is really happening, because brother, you are fast asleep as to what is really transpiring, and in fact you are helping the enemies of this nation by their ability to distract you and play upon your emotional reactive reflex instead of engaging that organ located between your ears. By doing so, it becomes like the slow boil one needs to do to allow the frog to remain in the pot as the heat is slowly increased so that by the time the frog recognizes that he is being cooked alive, it's too late for him to do anything about it.
Stop being a frog
If you love this country you will wake up, and help save this country, and put this country back on the right track, to fulfill the visions the founders had for this nation to at some point in time become the reality.
You don’t know that you are a leftist but your opinions of America in the world are identical to theirs.
And NATO has never been a threat to Russia, except as a deterrent for many decades, and a successful one.
I’m sorry but your belief that poor Russia has been surrounded and threatened by the United States is an absolutely deluded pathetic left-wing viewpoint. This was largely peddled, tragically, by Tucker Carlson. It is an intellectually dishonest Viewpoint and it is not based on reality.
I know you believe it and other than sending you over to that part of the world to talk to people actually involved in dealing with Russia, I have no way of deprogramming you.
Sorry, but the left wing view of Russia and the United States did not suddenly become true. It has always been an effort to undermine the deterrent ability of the United States so that Russia can make expansive gains.
You literally make no argument nor sense.
The Biden administration got us in the hole we are in today.
Trump at least has ended the cycle the escalation.
As Ukraine began failing once Russia mobilized, also foreseeable, we attempted to reverse the trend through constant escalation, may it be long range missiles, our tanks, fighters, stationing large numbers of troops along NATO boards i.e. Baltic states (only proves Russia’s concern as legit).
In fact there have been some attempts at de-escalation. To that end Trump has cut some of the funding used to beef up our and NATO military presence in the Baltic states, which in reality was intended to put Russia under pressure, you don’t hear about our missiles doing deep strikes into Russia anymore...
https://kyivindependent.com/trump-administration-to-phase-out-funding-for-natos-eastern-flank-financial-times-reports/. In reality Russia poses no threat to us or NATO. We massively / overwhelmingly overpower them in every aspect. When we shoved troops into the Baltic Russia had to reciprocate, and of course doing so while already stretched thin is hard for them to do. That was another Biden era escalation sold as “defensive” (which our MSM regurgitated without question) to the public while we out number them 5:1.
But the hole dug over three years will not be easy nor fast to get out of. The idea that we can sit at a table and hammer out some deal and end this quickly was a bit unrealistic.
What more likely will happen are a series of de-escalatory steps, opening up the channels of communications required for making a deal like this, building trust, and finally agreeing on a deal once we can get every side into a zone of probable compromise.
Wars like this destroy wealth, they reduce the security for everyone involved, us too.
These are stupid wars where politicians not thinking pragmatic take un-prudent risks.
The US has this far squandered >$200 billion not counting the economic impact of trade, sanctions, etc.
Everyone is a loser except China. Except a few in the defense sector, our economy is hurt, Russia is hurt, Ukraine is hurt.
Ukraine in fact is the biggest loser. They will end up with a destroyed economy, a destroyed democracy (dictatorship), destroyed infrastructure, a collapsed demographics (refugees, horrible birth rate plus casualties), loss of land, no NATO, no EU (which was in reach before the war).
The only nation that saw a great energy deal, a huge boost in their exports, their influence in BRICS increase, is China. While in the West only a few folks profit (war industry) while everyone else loses, China across the board won.
Irony is, China is our number one threat.
Our sanctions were a flop because from pharma, textiles, phones, routers/servers, computer, cars, to home appliances, all that happened was that China filled the void. But don’t say that to loud, someone might say it’s unpatriotic.
For example vehicles:
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In many cases, since the US uses China as its manufacturing base, you have cloned products with a Chinese label that very closely resemble their US counterparts for sale in Russia. LOL
This war was made possible because everyone was in agreement and there was no counter voice. All the questions which should have been asked before (((we))) took actions which led to this war weren’t asked.
These sort of avalanches happen from time to time (think Covid), when all the interests align, corporate, political, US, EU, the media, folks on the left and right.
I can read left-wing horseshit about the United States and Russia any day of the week, so just leave me alone. Have a good time.
As usual, your emotions make you bear false witness.
You best seek out the Lord FRiend, because not only are you fast asleep, you are lost in the wilderness, as well. Time is running out, frog.
I could be mistaken but I don’t think the Lord has a position on the Ukraine war specifically, except do not kill.
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