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Posted on 07/16/2025 3:57:12 PM PDT by Macho MAGA Man
Last weekend’s Turning Point Student Action Summit ratcheted up the MAGA debate over US-Israel relations to eleven with Tucker Carlson calling out Israel for alleged Epstein ties and comic Dave Smith debating Newsweek columnist Josh Hammer.
The Gateway Pundit guest author Avi Abelow from Efrat, Judea, chimes in with a provocative take: End U.S. aid for Israel
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Such eloquence! The depth, accuracy and inelecutable logic of your argument leaves me devastated.
Cut aid to everyone. Maybe if a country suffers some natural disaster we can help them out but otherwise no money
US aid to Israel is coercive, and puts money into Liberals politicians in Israel. Cut the coercive aid, we starve the libs in Israel. They’re still our ally though! Get it?
There are legitimate non-anti-Semitic arguments against continuing to fund the Israeli military. I can recite many of them myself, and am partially sympathetic to some. Insofar as we can keep this thread on such a plane, it would be good for all of us.
Here’s my main take: Military Aid to Israel is a legislatable issue. I recommend every interested party make their points to their legislators and let the chips fall where they may in a vote of Congress. I’ll live with that.
I’ll suggest about today’s level of support. I’m opposed to increasing it or decreasing it. They are a key ally in the Defense of Western Civilization against the savage. They do their own tremendous amount of funding of their own military, above 6% of GDP if recollection serves.
I’m always opposed to American boots on the ground in Israel supporting them. I have heard rumors of that, and I think we should pull them out (if true) as a matter of political and diplomatic hygiene.
If Israel were about to be overrun, I would not recommend American boots on the ground. I’d go with my M4 and a few cases of ammunition, but I won’t put my Neighbors son on the ground to fight someone else’s fight.
What say the rest of you? And, are you taking proper public political steps to make you legislator vote your way? If so, good, and let’s try to leave the malodorous junk at the door.
It’s the Gateway Pundit. Enough said.
Support for decoupling from American arms has been slowly growing among Israel’s Right. Moshe Feiglin was first to propose it years ago that I heard.
For one thing, it allows Israeli military too much independence from the elected government.
Here’s Avi Abelow from his own podcast:
https://youtu.be/01zOi35YVnE?si=0gd6nCsCymmsSKed
They do produce their own 155mm howitzer and 120mm tank rounds of all types.
They produce their own 5.56, but shoot American Colt M4s.
They produce (with, apparently Raetheon, I’ve been told) several types of anti-missile systems. Some seem purely indigenous (Iron Dome), others seem joint projects (Arrow, David’s Sling?).
Their Merkava tank is apparently all indigenous.
Their planes, bombs and guidance packages sound mostly purchased from us.
What I see there is vastly, but not completely, Israeli made already.
Much more than those items. A change in philosophy completely.
Knesset members and experts Israel reducing dependence on U.S. aid in a subcommittee meeting late last January.
I’m totally in favor of Israel doing everything themselves that they can. They ought not have a Joe Biden deciding bomb-types and sizes that will ship this week.
https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-848165
“’We do not need to live in America’s pocket’: Why Israel must end US military aid - opinion
The US military aid package is substantial, but not decisive. It accounts for less than 3% of Israel’s national budget. We can – and we should – replace it ourselves.”
Still and all, that would amount to 9% of GDP, a whopping economic drag.
Why an American should fund that is a legitimate question, for which I’ve answered above for myself.
As Israel’s economy continues to thrive, it’s an excellent goal. We’ll see how both governments behave and what happens.
Regardless, I’m extremely pleased today. Me and about 2,000,000 other people put our shoulders to the wheel, and hamass is a near leaderless remnant of whack a moles, hezbollah is nutless, leaderless, and on the run, houthis are demonstrably toothless, and Iran took a huge thumping with comparatively no retaliatory capability.
We won. There is no victory lap in the Middle East, because the muzzies will be back in 20 years. But I’m loving it for now.
Whoops! 3% of the government’s budget, not 3% of GDP?
Heck, that’s a drop in the bucket! Kill it now. Israel needs to demonstrate independence from American taxpayers and policy. Let them buy whatever they want, at market prices. Totally worth the independence.
The real issue is halting America’s backdoor support for Leftist Israeli causes of all types, such as the manic opposition to judicial reform. Such support for Israeli Leftists is indeed fueled by the overwhelmingly Leftist American Jewish community organizations.
Even US Congress sees the problem:
https://www.jfeed.com/news-world/congress-anti-netanyahu-ngo-funding-sources
Wow, I love that OpEd.
What little I understand of local Israeli politics, is a mess. Their constitution pretty much doesn’t exist, the judiciary self selects more and more radical leftists over generations, MKs are not elected to represent a specific geography, the AG is opposed to the elected government, huge swathes of the public hate Bibi so vehemently they would rather lose a war than let him win one, etc. Total s**+ show.
Happily, I just show up to work.
Better yet end all foreign aid. We’re on the verge of bankruptcy and it’s insane they are still spending money like water.
I agree, LOANS ONLY TO EVERYINW.
InbTHAT , I agree with you, you want something from the US, you are going to pay for it.
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