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What's Really Outrageous About Bob Woodward's New Book
RealityCheck ^ | 10/09/2024 | Alan Tonelson

Posted on 10/09/2024 9:13:22 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

So much outrage (including from Vice President and Democratic presidential contender Kamala Harris) about the claim in Bob Woodward’s upcoming book that Donald Trump during his presidency sent some test kits to Russian dictator Vladimir Putin at the height of the Covid pandemic when they were scarce in the United States. And about the famed journalist’s report that the former president called Putin seven times since the former left the Oval Office in January, 2021. (See, e.g., here.)

And so little about by far the biggest outrage described in War (if true, of course – as with the above revelations): that President Biden may have pushed the United States, and the world, to within a coin flip of nuclear war in Ukraine.

Think I’m kidding? Here’s the description by CNN – which broke the news about Woodward’s book – his account of a crucial moment in U.S. policy toward Russia’s invasion. It’s worth quoting in full:

By September 2022, US intelligence reports deemed “exquisite” revealed a “deeply unnerving assessment” of Putin — that he was so desperate about battlefield losses that he might use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

“Based on the alarming new intelligence reports, the White House believed there was a 50% chance Russia would use a tactical nuclear weapon — a striking assessment that had skyrocketed up from 5% and then 10%, Woodward reports.

“’On all channels, get on the line with the Russians,’ Biden instructed his national security adviser, Jake Sullivan. ‘Tell them what we will do in response,’ he said, according to Woodward.”

That’s the key phrase: “Tell them what we will do in response.”

It doesn’t necessarily mean that Mr. Biden had decided to use a nuclear weapon against Russia itself, or even against Russian forces inside Ukraine, or was considering such actions. Nor does it necessarily mean that the president had decided to deploy U.S. military forces in Ukraine in response.

But it’s difficult to imagine what else President Biden might have been thinking of that would deter the Russians from a step like tactical nuclear weapons use, or that would have convinced them to abandon this policy after firing one nuclear shot.
Simon & Schuster plans to publish the book on Oct. 15

And the real outrage here – again, if Woodward has the story right – is that Mr. Biden actually was prepared to run such a catastrophic risk on behalf of a country whose fate Washington had never officially considered to be a remotely vital American security interest even at the height of the Cold War — and still hasn’t.

It’s one thing to threaten nuclear weapons use to protect a country or region that has been deemed a vital interest by U.S. leaders – like Western Europe or Japan. Or to do so when adversaries try to place nuclear weapons close to the American homeland (as was the case with the Soviet Union during the Cuban missile crisis of 1962).

But even to contemplate Armageddon in a situation meeting absolutely none of these characteristics? How can that be viewed as anything but needlessly reckless and even suicidal?

Bob Woodward reports that at one point Biden believed there was a 50% chance of Russia using nukes over Ukraine

He chose to escalate the war anyways and lied to the American people about the risk

pic.twitter.com/Ce8IMAST9w — Saagar Enjeti (@esaagar) October 8, 2024

Keep that in mind the next time you hear that Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is too dangerously off his rocker to be fit for the presidency (in particular that his warnings about the current administration bringing World War III closer are nothing more than fear-mongering). And that the aforementioned Kamala Harris, when asked what she would have done differently from Mr. Biden, responded, “Not a thing that comes to mind.


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: agitprop; alantonelson; analysiswaswrong; bobwoodward; book; bookdeals; ohjuststop; realitycheck; russianaggression; russiansuicide; spin; trump; usualsuspects; vlad; war; woodward; zeepershasasad; zeepersupset; zelenskyqs
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To: cpdiii

Does anyone really think the CIA or NSC would let anyone near a former CIA Director in hospice, probably on morphine and capable blurting out anything. I cannot imagine a single scenario where the Intel apparatus would let anyone near Casey, especially a reporter.


21 posted on 10/10/2024 5:50:48 AM PDT by OldGoatCPO (No Caitiff Choir of Angels will sing for me. )
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To: Rlsau1

Shootin’ blanks to most of us. Of course the total TDS assclowns might buy it. It’ll be on the $0.99 table before long.


22 posted on 10/10/2024 6:33:05 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from withinE? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉! 🇮🇱👍!)
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To: The Antiyuppie

Hmmmmmmm! I think I just realized who ‘deep throat’ is. Oh, different time frame. 🤔😊


23 posted on 10/10/2024 6:36:40 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from withinE? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉! 🇮🇱👍!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Woodward is an old fart. NO one believes his musings anymore.


24 posted on 10/10/2024 6:49:58 AM PDT by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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To: daniel1212; Liz; SunkenCiv; Red Badger; LS

Good details. Today’s Obama-Biden-Harris administration’s single, utter fascination and demonic focus on Ukraine, unlike its hidden but utterly sincere efforts to fund Iran’s nuclear weapons program, and to support radical Islam influence worldwide by replacing Western Civilization and Judeo-Christian culture, has always puzzled me.


25 posted on 10/10/2024 6:59:35 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (Method, motive, and opportunity: No morals, shear madness and hatred by those who cheat.)
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To: cpdiii

Bkmk


26 posted on 10/10/2024 7:10:11 AM PDT by Mama Shawna
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To: PGR88

Who knows how much crap is mixed in with half-truths for this book?

Indeed it’s his style


27 posted on 10/10/2024 7:27:15 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Phoenix8

I know a low information voter.

We were discussing NATO entering the war in Ukraine.

I said that might lead to a nuclear exchange and we shouldn’t do it.

She said no, it’s a great idea because Russians are bad people.

I told her since she lives near a major distribution airport and bridges over the Mississippi she will become an instant plasma.

Then she asked “What’s a plasma?”


28 posted on 10/10/2024 8:04:06 AM PDT by packagingguy
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To: SeekAndFind

So ‘we’ wanted Putin to spread COVID around Russia, and then more of the world?

And then we wanted Putin to die from COVID?


29 posted on 10/10/2024 8:12:50 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Running Rampant, and not endorsing nonsense; My pronoun is EXIT. And I am generally full of /S)
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To: Robert A Cook PE

B/O’s focus on Ukraine has always puzzled me.


Zelensky’s a dealmaker....most of the billions are deposited in
offshore banks for B/O and their pals to dip into when needed.


30 posted on 10/10/2024 8:48:33 AM PDT by Liz (Faith is believing what you cannot see; its reward is to see what you believe. St Augustine)
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To: Phoenix8

100% agree.


31 posted on 10/10/2024 8:53:44 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Scrambler Bob

The US never had a demonstrably “critical shortage” of Covid test kits.


32 posted on 10/10/2024 9:02:13 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (Method, motive, and opportunity: No morals, shear madness and hatred by those who cheat.)
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To: cpdiii

Well said!
But people here will believe what fits their personal biases.


33 posted on 10/10/2024 9:05:27 AM PDT by Reily (N)
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To: SeekAndFind
Donald Trump learned from his greatly respected scientist uncle John G. Trump about the existential nuclear threat, and has mentioned many times in his speeches that nuclear war is a far greater threat to the planet than climate change.

I'm fine with Trump keeping the lines of communication open with Putin, as long as he's not breaking any laws doing so. The Democrats' entire jihad against Putin is outdated and short-sighted (except, of course, for protecting their money-laundering ops in Ukraine). Trump literally made peace with all major powers during his tenure, taking a pragmatic approach that recognized their good points as well as their risks, applying sanctions if needed, but gaining their good will, at least for those years.

Who's the reckless, impulsive one, Bob?

34 posted on 10/10/2024 3:39:41 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Propaganda keeps only governments in business, not corporations. —John Nolte)
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To: fso301
While I write this, Steven Ambrose is on my mind.

For good or for not so good, in your view? I enjoyed his early Eisenhower bios.

35 posted on 10/10/2024 3:46:54 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Propaganda keeps only governments in business, not corporations. —John Nolte)
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To: Robert A Cook PE

Everyone please think of this. We correctly identify Obama’s regime as demonic. But demonic corruption works on the intellect and talent as well as the soul.

This is why slowly the DemoKKKrats have gotten more incompetent. We are STILL TREATING THEM LIKE THEY WERE IN 2008.

But they have been thoroughly corrupted. Biden was completely incompetent in everything; since they stole the 2020 election the DNC has been increasingly incompetent. They barely saved themselves in 2022 from a catastrophe, only because the gains in red areas were in deeply red areas, not competitive districts. Since 2022, they have been entirely incompetent.

They:
*Stupidly went with “lawfare” thinking that would take Trump out, and as a result DID NOT REPLACE Rutabaga in 2023 when they could have done so seamlessly and given Cackles a full year to do something . . . anything.
*Because they believed in “Lawfare,” they did not plan a steal this time. Besides that, they didn’t have the cover of 4 months of lockdowns and China Virus to conceal the “mule” activity of requesting and filling out ballots.
*When it was too late, they stupidly removed Rutabaga-—who actually had a better chance against Trump (which was none) than Cackles did.
*They allowed Cackles to pick Tampon Timmy instead of Shapiro, ensuring they lost PA, and still may lose MN.

WE HAVE NO REASON TO FEAR THESE PEOPLE. THEY ARE LIKE HITLER AFTER 1944, EVIL BUT INCOMPETENT MAKING MISTAKE AFTER MISTAKE.

“Bayonets!”


36 posted on 10/10/2024 4:16:02 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." Jimi Hendrix)
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To: LS

Strong conclusions. Good insights. Thank you.


37 posted on 10/10/2024 4:50:00 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (Method, motive, and opportunity: No morals, shear madness and hatred by those who cheat.)
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To: Albion Wilde
For good or for not so good, in your view?

He is on record from before the internet about making veteran's recollections more "exciting" as a way to increase sales.

38 posted on 10/10/2024 6:48:19 PM PDT by fso301
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To: FlingWingFlyer
All of the dildoe’s books are worthless. The boy is a fraud. A real jackass. Anybody live through his era of Watergate knows that.

Woodard's method during the Watergate scandal was pretty simple. He had sources that wanted to destroy Nixon. They fed him correct information which would be confirmed as real and gave Woodard legitimacy in the public eye. He interspersed the real info with just plain damn lies which then became real to the public.

He was a very skilled liar. He still is.

39 posted on 10/10/2024 8:56:23 PM PDT by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist ,MAGA)
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To: packagingguy

Not surprised at all. I was in education for decades.

What many don’t realize is many people are conversationally able and even gifted yet have deficient logical reasoning, are lower IQ and perform miserably academically. I couldn’t tell you how many kids were alert, talked incessantly and had many friends yet averaged horrible grades and could not understand the most basic concepts. schools nowadays pass kids on if they can even do a semblance of work.

According to theory the right side of the brain controls speech but the left controls reasoning, problem solving etc. which could explain it.


40 posted on 10/11/2024 6:07:20 AM PDT by Phoenix8
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