Russia Announces Changes to Nuclear Doctrine: Western Missile Strikes Deep Inside Russia Will Trigger an Atomic Response (VIDEO)

Gateway Pundit ^ | September 26, 2024 | Staff

[BroJoeK]

quoting BJK: "If Russians let their nuclear "genies" out of the now nearly 80 year old "bottles", it will not end well for Russia, be certain of that."

Jan_Sobieski: "Isn’t that the point?
If they feels there is an existential threat, they will use nukes.
Most nuclear nations would.
Pushing said nation to using their nukes is not wise.
But why expect wisdom from our sodomite leaders with no skin in the game"

Your words "existential threat" are a matter of definitions.
Consider this: I believe America's Democrats are an existential threat to our Constitutionally defined republic.
Do those words, "existential threat" give me the right to start throwing nukes at our Democrats?!
No, of course not, instead we have to defeat them at the ballot boxes in November.

Do you see my point?
The words "existential threat" by themselves mean nothing and certainly justify nothing that would otherwise be utterly insane.

What sadly is 100% sane (meaning rational) is: just what Russians have done ever since first acquiring A-bombs in the 1940s -- repeatedly threaten to use them on their enemies in hopes Russia's enemies will self-deter and back down from whatever conflict was then in progress.
And very often those threats work like a charm -- they are an effective charm -- notably against LBJ in Vietnam and now against Biden in Ukraine.

But, I'll say it again -- while Russians are always school-yard bullies, they were never suicidal, and so never actually used their nukes these past 75+ years.

So, are Russians now so suicidal over Ukraine they are bent on self-destruction?

Naw, I just don't think so, and if they are, then the reasons are not Ukraine or NATO or the US or anything external, but something else going on inside the brains of Russia's leadership, which will take a really strong negotiator to deal them out of.

And, as it happens, I know just the fellow to do it.
He's running for US president.

If you are eligible to vote, you can help us with that in November.

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In the 1964 presidential election, Liberal Southern Democrat Pres. LBJ used Russia's nuclear threats to defeat conservative Sen. Goldwater, so LBJ was then unable to effectively oppose Russia's support for North Vietnam, thus guaranteeing eventual US defeat in South Vietnam:

[BroJoeK]

Redmen4ever: "I was in West Germany facing your buddies across the border.
During the time I was there, your buddies in the Baader Meinhof Gang attempted to kill the Supreme Commander of NATO."

I served for three years in V Corps, near the Fulda Gap, just a few years earlier.
In the event of war, NATO doctrine of the time called for use of tactical nukes to stop massed Russian tank armies swarming through the Gap.

So, I can't remember if we always agree here, but it sounds like we share a common historical perspective.

Fulda Gap into West Germany:

[BroJoeK]

Jan_Sobieski to Redmen4ever: " Many of us served on the Soviet border for what we thought was defending the US from communism."

Nooooo... not against "communism", because communism is politics and politics are not the job of a military.

We were there to defend Europe against Russian military aggression, nothing else.
And we did our jobs, we kept "Peace Through Strength", we kept the Russian bear at bay long enough for politicians to do their jobs of defeating the political insanities rattling around inside Russian brains.

We proved that "Peace Through Strength" works.
Ukraine proves that perceived weakness provokes Russian aggressions.

Jan_Sobieski: "The Soviet Union collapsed and Russia is now a vibrant market country with many Christian churches protecting children."

Sadly, Russia never came anywhere close to converting to a western style capitalist democracy.
All they ever really did was convert from a socialist/communist government planned economy into a fascist state-controlled economy.

Today, Russia's corrupt-to-the-core government not only completely controls Russia's economy, but is rapidly taking back ownership of more and more of Russia's means of production, especially the now dominant military industries.

The Russian Orthodox Church is the only one officially encouraged and it is also corruptly controlled by the Kremlin.

Jan_Sobieski: "Eastern border disputes are not our business. "

"Russkiy Mir" geopolitics:

Ukraine is far from a mere "border dispute".
It is manifestly Vlad the Invader's "Russkiy Mir" geopolitical ideology replacing international communism as justification for aggressing and annexing Russia's neighbors.
Ukraine is not the only, or first, to suffer under "Russkiy Mir".

Here is a partial list of neighbors Russia or Vlad the Invader has threatened and/or aggressed:

Russian threats to neighbors since 1991:

1. Azerbaijan (1990–1994);[1][2]
2. Moldova (1992–present);
3. Georgia (2004–present);
4. Lithuania (2006);
5. Estonia (2006–2007);
6. Poland (2006–present);
7. Belarus (2007);
8. Ukraine (2014–present);
9. Syria (2015–present);
10. Turkey (2015–2016);
11. Kazakhstan (2021–2022) ;[3] and
12. Armenia (2022) [4] amongst others.[5]

Jan_Sobieski: " Conversely, America is being taken over by Commie-Pinko-Fags who are grooming our children, killing our elections and our Presidents, censoring our speech, and destroying our wealth. Wake up Dupe!"

All of that ends quickly after the November elections.
But what about Vlad the Invader's aggressions against its neighbors?
All of that is still to be determined.

[Redmen4ever]

good going BroJoeK. I am proud to have taken my turn on the front lines with you and many others, as well with as our allies in Europe.

So, you know first hand we never had a policy of invading East Germany, not to speak of invading Russia. We continuously rehearsed killing the invading Russians and their vassals of eastern Europe, while backing up. We called this “the active defense.” Hopefully, we would stop them before we were thrown into the sea.

Besides, it would be stupid to invade Russia. Hitler, Napoleon and King Charles of Sweden invaded Russia to their own demise.

On the other hand, Russia has lost numerous wars at its borders. It lost to Japan in 1904, to Germany in WWI, to Poland in 1920, and to Afghanistan in 1979.

We have NO INTEREST in invading Russia.

Our interest is in defending Europe.

As for Ukraine, NATO considered admitting them, but the Germans said we shouldn’t provoke Russia. Germany was wrong. Russia invaded anyway. Aggressors see appeasement as weakness. Putin can smell the weakness of Joe Biden from halfway around the world. Putin invaded Ukraine when Obama was President (before Trump) and when Biden was President (after Trump).

So, why does Russia invade nearby countries and why does Russia threaten to start a nuclear war?

You say we have or had the same policy as Russia. This is a god damn lie. Or maybe you don’t know what is the case.

Your beloved Putin has threatened to start WWIII not upon being invaded but upon Ukraine being supplied with the same kind of long-range missiles that Putin uses to attack Kyiv, Odessa and Lvov. This is A CHANGE from prior doctrine that we and they had (both countries reserved the right to use nuclear weapons if invaded).

The most probable explanation of Putin’s change in policy is that he is turning Russia into a bigger version of North Korea. Meaning, a totalitarian state that uses endless wars to oppress its people.

Trump tried to get Kim Jung Un to reconsider his (Kim’s) policies. Trump recommended Viet Nam’s pragmatic form of communism to Kim. But, that country (North Korea) was already too far gone.

But maybe not Russia.

Trump will make an honest effort to end the war in Ukraine in a way that is good for both of those countries as well as for us. With a good deal, Russia might renew the tentative steps it had been taking to be a constructive neighbor, before Putin started throwing people off buildings and otherwise consolidating power.

If Russia doesn’t try to be a good neighbor, screw them. Russia can become the next extremely poor country of retards, like North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela. At least, the war in Ukraine will be brought to an end.

As Sun Tzu said a long time ago, the best wars are won without fighting. We won the Cold War mostly without fighting, because we stayed strong through several generations and because of presidents from Harry Truman to Ronald Reagan, because of young men like Elvis Presley taking their turn on the front line and, yes, because of you and me.

[Redmen4ever]

Thx Jan. Yes, Dugin is a good reference.

[UMCRevMom@aol.com]

“I have been here as long as you. Actually longer by sign up date. And I lurked before that.

You don’t hear from others because many of us just want to avoid the waste of time arguing with folks who cant get through a post without a disparaging insult, which any name calling is. Debate like an adult.”

Appreciate your comments.
However, Comment #157 is the definitive comment that says it all!

[USA-FRANCE]

“...and Russia is now a vibrant market country with many Christian churches protecting children.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Your comment is spectacularly misleading.

Russia is actually in TIER 3 when is comes to human trafficking.
It’s the worst situation a country can possibly be in.
Russia shares that dreadful position alongside Afghanistan, Sudan, Eritrea and a few other similar very “fine” nations...

Thus, Russia is a hell-hole for its people.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2024-trafficking-in-persons-report/#report-toc__section-16

[BroJoeK]

Redmen4ever: "You say we have or had the same policy as Russia.
This is a god damn lie.
Or maybe you don’t know what is the case."

Whoa! Nelly, you took the wrong fork in the road.
You were doing so good, but then turned off in the wrong direction.
Now back up, slowly, carefully, and let's get back on the right track -- I'm on your side, remember?

Some of our other FRiends here, also claiming to be veterans of NATO service, have gone off the rails into some kind of pro-Russian luny-talk, but that's not me, FRiend.

Redmen4ever: "As Sun Tzu said a long time ago, the best wars are won without fighting.
We won the Cold War mostly without fighting, because we stayed strong through several generations and because of presidents from Harry Truman to Ronald Reagan, because of young men like Elvis Presley taking their turn on the front line and, yes, because of you and me."

Exactly right, but we actually did a lot of fighting during the Cold War, especially in Korea and Vietnam, but also shows of force and military aid from Berlin to Taiwan, to Lebanon to Cuba, Central America, Cambodia, Africa & elsewhere.
During the Cold War, US forces were active in every region, if not in every conflict.

On Elvis: I was a boy when Elvis Presley served in Germany.
I well remember Tupelo's tornado, Sgt. Presley.

In the end, Presley's rock & roll helped as much to defeat that Old Soviets as did his military service.
Sadly, today's culture gives us nothing remotely similar...

[Redmen4ever]

you’re not the only person who gets to call other people names, such as “delusional.”

How about you take back your name-calling. Then, I’ll consider my recourse to colorful language.

Since you never said what would be a good policy, I’ll ask you a simple question.

If somebody invades your home and is armed, which of the following do you think is advisable?

(A) trying to reason with the guy, explaining that in the big scheme of things, treating others as you would want to be treated yourself is the best policy?

or

(B) shooting the mf’er.

This isn’t a yes-no question. You are invited to adjust these proposed answers or write an entirely new one.

Now as to your (adjective to be named later) lie that we were aggressors in South Korea or South View Nam: no.

We didn’t (adjective to be named later) invade Kuwait. Iraq did.

We didn’t invade Poland in 1920. Your beloved Russia did.

We didn’t invade Hungary in 1956. Your beloved Russia did.

We didn’t invade Cuba in 1961. We blockaded the place and worked out an understanding with your beloved Russia that put nuclear-armed missiles there.

We didn’t blow-up the Twin Towers.

And, we didn’t bomb Pearl Harbor.

We live in a dangerous world. While I kind of respect pacifists, really, I wouldn’t want to be in a foxhole with one.

I also understand that some people are paid by Putin and Soros to spread lies on the internet about this country, and can only distinguish them from honestly confused people by their being able to deal with the hard realities of this world.

[BroJoeK]

Redmen4ever: "you’re not the only person who gets to call other people names, such as “delusional.”"

Settle down, FRiend, you're confusing me with someone else.
I have not referred to you or anyone else on this thread as "delusional".
I'll repeat, we're on the same side.

Here are all the quotes using the word "delusional":

1. #44 smogger to delta7: "If anyone thinks this is just about Ukraine, they’re delusional.
   This is about a global power struggle, and Russia isn’t going to be bullied into submission. "

2. #183 Jan_Sobieski to Redmen4ever: "You are delusional.
   Go fight the good fight in Donbas for your Ukrainian brothers"

3. #184 Redmen4ever to Jan_Sobieski: "Me delusional?
   At least I’m not being paid by Putin."

4. #209 Redmen4ever to BroJoeK: "you’re not the only person who gets to call other people names, such as 'delusional.' "

And there's this: #194 Jan_Sobieski to Redmen4ever: "Many of us served on the Soviet border for what we thought was defending the US from communism."

So, clearly, you've confused me with Jan_Sobieski.

Redmen4ever: "I also understand that some people are paid by Putin and Soros to spread lies on the internet about this country, and can only distinguish them from honestly confused people by their being able to deal with the hard realities of this world."

Like you, I don't understand who those people are, where they come from or what they think they are doing here.
I only know that some of them are as vicious as any posters I've ever seen on Free Republic.

And I know one more thing -- Donald Trump is running as the "peace candidate" against our "war mongering" Democrats, and so Trump hopes to hoover up all votes that can be described as Christian pacifists, non-interventionists, isolationists and/or other anti-war types.

Trump himself is not a pacifist, far from it, but he thinks he can end the war in Ukraine through negotiations, and I say: more power to him for that, but I doubt if it will be so easy.

Regardless, except that you've confused me with Jan_Sobieski, I don't disagree with anything you've posted on this thread.
So, I'll chalk this up as a friendly-fire incident, possibly a failure in IFOF handshakes... 😉

[Redmen4ever]

You are absolutely correct, BroJoeK. I apologize for the name-calling, or as you say, “friendly fire.” And, I thank you for your care and patience to bring reason to this thread.

Indeed, I agree with you about Trump.

If I may, when I took my commission during the Viet Nam War, my father, who served during the Korean War, said he was told he had to fight there so his son wouldn’t have to fight in some god forsaken hell hole half way across the world. He was proud of me, but also concerned for me.

(So I don’t mislead anybody, my father actually wasn’t sent to Korea but was made a drill sergeant; and, by the time I completed the infantry officer basic course, they stopped sending us to Viet Nam.)

I felt the same way as my father when my son took his commission, during the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

(And, for the third time, a member of my family served during a war and wasn’t deployed. Things were different during World Wars I and II.)

[Glad2bnuts]

Great post BroJoeK