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The Leopard 2 Tank In Ukraine Was No ‘Game Changer’
National Security Journal ^ | 9/24/2024 | Brent M. Eastwood

Posted on 09/25/2024 8:51:14 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111

One modern tank that was supposed to end the stalemate was the vaunted German Leopard 2 tank. This modern beast has all the goodies that you would expect. It is arguably NATO’s best tank produced by a European member. The Leopard is fast, powerful, and agile, with great armor and a respectable gun.

But how has it done in Ukraine? And what does that performance say about the overall future of the tank?

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TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: europe; germany; killkillkillforpeace; mic; militarydefense; tank; tanks; tothelastukrainian; ukraine; welfarewar
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Another day, another tank dead in Ukraine. So are these armored beasts now totally obsolete?
1 posted on 09/25/2024 8:51:14 AM PDT by whyilovetexas111
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To: whyilovetexas111

Heavy use of drones has changed the equation.


2 posted on 09/25/2024 8:53:34 AM PDT by marron
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To: whyilovetexas111

In World Of Tanks Leopard 1 hides and snipes and if it’s spotted it gets ammo racked and destroyed ,LOL


3 posted on 09/25/2024 8:53:56 AM PDT by butlerweave
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To: whyilovetexas111

A typical drone team goes through several dozen drones a day.


4 posted on 09/25/2024 8:54:35 AM PDT by marron
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To: whyilovetexas111

The tank died when silicon chips and software became a thing that could guide a missile.


5 posted on 09/25/2024 8:57:02 AM PDT by wildcard_redneck (He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.)
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To: whyilovetexas111

I think a new word will come out of this war. DADS - Drone Air Defense System. An armor-mounted multi-band jamming system will eventually be developed. It will have the basic frequency coverages and multiple software controlled modes for existing and new drone CC modes.


6 posted on 09/25/2024 8:59:00 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: whyilovetexas111

“So are these armored beasts now totally obsolete?”

Reminds one of the USS Alabama in Mobile or the Battleship North Carolina in Wilmington.


7 posted on 09/25/2024 8:59:55 AM PDT by packagingguy
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To: whyilovetexas111

The Germans had fewer than 200 MBTs. And, fewer than 75 operational jet aircraft. They need to get their stuff together before Poland marches across Germany for a change.


8 posted on 09/25/2024 9:00:16 AM PDT by MMusson ( )
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To: butlerweave

I spent so much money on that game back in the day. And then tanks that never actually hit production or were paper concepts ended up the most OP.


9 posted on 09/25/2024 9:07:11 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: whyilovetexas111

People downgrade tanks until they have to get up and cross open spaces under fire.


10 posted on 09/25/2024 9:08:24 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: marron

“Heavy use of drones has changed the equation.”

Yep. The era of the tank is largely over. They are pretty much rolling metal coffins at this point, unless used for mobile artillery (and that’s not great).


11 posted on 09/25/2024 9:10:02 AM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: whyilovetexas111

Here is what needs to be obsolete.

https://x.com/i/status/1838946430695723213


12 posted on 09/25/2024 9:12:14 AM PDT by dforest
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To: whyilovetexas111

Drones have become the game changer. At least for the present.


13 posted on 09/25/2024 9:14:00 AM PDT by McGruff (Ask everyone, Are you better off than you were four years ago?)
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To: Gaffer
DADS - Drone Air Defense System.

The next acronym following DADS, AD, Autonomous Drones.

They will "think" on their own and find their targets without needing a radio signal to be jammed.

14 posted on 09/25/2024 9:18:34 AM PDT by Mogger (AreIn bookstores is a very expensive, beautifully bound in green leather Holy Koran. If one was goin)
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To: blueunicorn6
These days that's what motorbikes are for.

Yeah, I see some IFV's making runs to assault positions, but they are generally smoking from multiple hits by the time they reach the assault point and disgorge an infantry squad. If I were an assault commander these days I'd be shopping for tunneling equipment, no joke.

15 posted on 09/25/2024 9:19:42 AM PDT by EnderWiggin1970
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To: Mogger

Nor is a signal (gps) necessary for navigation.


16 posted on 09/25/2024 9:25:14 AM PDT by whistleduck
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To: EnderWiggin1970

Let’s see…..

How did that go?

Oh, yeah….

“Fight as a combined arms team.”

Tanks are meant to be a part of a combined arms team.

The Ukrainians are advised by intelligence and Special Forces people who fight with pistols.


17 posted on 09/25/2024 9:32:15 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: whistleduck

Historians explain confederacy and axis powers lost their wars because of Smaller population base, less manufacturing. You point out that ukr has a much smaller population and much less manufacturing capability than russian federation, and that they cannot win because of it. OH, that’s totally different.


18 posted on 09/25/2024 9:34:55 AM PDT by ozarker
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To: whyilovetexas111

Vlad is correct: all the western equipment will burn like all the others, F-16’s, M1’s, M777, MRAPs, Bradleys, Leopards, Patriots, Strykers, M113’s, …all our “ stuff”, what a miserable waste…..much will be needed in our future forever wars.

Pentagon twinkle toes Generals learning a lesson about sucking up to senile Joe and war cheerleaders agenda.


19 posted on 09/25/2024 9:48:39 AM PDT by delta7
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To: whyilovetexas111

After reading the book Red Storm Rising like 30 years Ago I told myself to NEVER find myself sitting in a tank during battle.


20 posted on 09/25/2024 9:56:02 AM PDT by mowowie
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