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The great mistake(Viet Nam)
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2024/06/the_great_mistake.html ^

Posted on 06/26/2024 9:42:19 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET

just a few months before the election of 1964, the Gulf of Tonkin incident was made-to-order to rally the nation around the global struggle against the forces of Marxist tyranny.

Could it be that Ho Chi Minh and the Vietcong were really more interested in throwing off the French colonial yoke than in seizing the means of production and other typical commie objectives?

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Times have changed. Viet Nam was a teachable moment not a 'noble cause' as our hero stated.

Give them the $4 billion Kissinger promised. Chump change. We've got bigger fish to fry-China.

1 posted on 06/26/2024 9:42:19 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: DIRTYSECRET

*One cannot ignore Asian cultural qualities. Asians are typically mercantile — they tend to set up stores and small factories wherever they go. Russians, however, are not mercantile. Ever see “Made in Russia” on a product? Putin’s economy is propped up by the export of petroleum and natural gas. This is an extractive economy.*

We have more to offer. Bigger reward too.


2 posted on 06/26/2024 9:44:09 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: DIRTYSECRET

The SEATO Pact we signed cannot be ignored...


3 posted on 06/26/2024 9:49:19 AM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC.....Patriotically Correct)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

The French were smart enough to realize it was a lost cause and got the hell outta Dodge while the gettin was good. “Let some other poor saps give up their blood and treasure”.


4 posted on 06/26/2024 9:49:38 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: DIRTYSECRET

“ was made-to-order to rally the nation around the global struggle against the forces of Marxist tyranny.”

And yet, today, America is as Marxist as any nation out there.


5 posted on 06/26/2024 9:51:40 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast (We have not yet achieved peak crazy)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Perhaps a “made up moment”.......


6 posted on 06/26/2024 10:03:21 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉! 🇮🇱👍!)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Recall at the time we wanted French support for NATO. We took over their effort. Once again Europe duped us to fight a useless war.


7 posted on 06/26/2024 10:11:22 AM PDT by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Everything bad that happened in the 20th Century was because of the French.


8 posted on 06/26/2024 10:12:59 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: LouieFisk

Was it? Cause I thought we had it fought to standstill.

Till our Congress refused to provide support for the final invasion.


9 posted on 06/26/2024 10:13:53 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: DIRTYSECRET

They wanted to cement their party’s rule in power and we were convinced that they were acting on behalf of Russia. They also were very brutal when they took over the North and could be counted on to take over the South. The recent development where a united Communist Vietnam became largely capitalist and potentially our ally wasn’t inevitable and couldn’t have been foreseen.

Whether we should have gotten involved or not, I don’t know, but things looked very different 60 years ago than they do today. In any case, the time to win over Ho would have been the 40s or the 50s (and there was no guarantee good relations would have lasted). By the 60s it may already have been too late.


10 posted on 06/26/2024 10:15:25 AM PDT by x
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I meant to say:

They also were very brutal when they took over the North and could be counted on be brutal if they took over the South.


11 posted on 06/26/2024 10:16:33 AM PDT by x
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To: Pikachu_Dad

From what I heard from bros who served there during that time was the locals didn’t care much who ran the country, they just pretty much wanted to grow their rice in peace.

And the service people there had watch their backs - not all the enemy combatants there wore uniforms or came marching in.


12 posted on 06/26/2024 10:42:29 AM PDT by LouieFisk
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To: DIRTYSECRET
I think the Red Chinese fear the Vietnamese 2nd only to the Japanese.

Vietnam kicked Red Chinese butts regularly between '79 and '91.

Good ally for us to have in the region.

13 posted on 06/26/2024 10:48:16 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

“Uncle Ho DID REQUEST HELP F
ROM WASHINGTON, in unshacklng from the French


14 posted on 06/26/2024 10:55:34 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Arms manufacturers made a fortune on the war.

They were the real victors.


15 posted on 06/26/2024 11:00:22 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

Yes, our side won, the NV army was decimated. We got a treaty in place to continue to supply SViet with arms — and then the commie trash in the DNC voted to reject the funding. So, the North moved in and millions were murdered — just like they are in every commie trash takeover.

Commie trash might say they just want one step, but that is always a lie. They are like scorpions.


16 posted on 06/26/2024 11:51:49 AM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo, )
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To: x

Ho Chi Minh was a mass murderer. He killed millions of Vietnamese in the name of communism.


17 posted on 06/26/2024 3:43:08 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Could it be that Ho Chi Minh and the Vietcong were really more interested in throwing off the French colonial yoke than in seizing the means of production and other typical commie objectives?
No.

You trying to make people forget that the biggest preacher against “colonialism” in the last century was the USSR?

Times have changed.
No they haven’t. The only thing that has really changed is that the public is more aware of the left having taken over the USA than even back during the beginning of the Vietnam war, as much as it was a war.
18 posted on 06/26/2024 6:32:17 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: LouieFisk

Is that why millions fled on anything that would float after the communists took over.

In Cambodia, Pol Pit murdered 1/4 of the population


19 posted on 06/26/2024 8:40:03 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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