Posted on 06/23/2024 8:35:04 AM PDT by marktwain
Bump stocks are not machine guns. Not only are they not machine guns in the legal definition, but they are significantly different from machine guns in other ways as well.
A semiautomatic rifle equipped with a bump stock is not a “machinegun” as defined by §5845(b) because: (1) it cannot fire more than one shot “by a single function of the trigger” and (2) even if it could, it would not do so “automatically.”
Far left VOX claimed Thomas was lying. From Vox.com:
The six Republican justices handed down a decision on Friday that effectively legalizes civilian ownership of automatic weapons. All three of the Court’s Democrats dissented.
In fairness, Ian Millhiser at Vox goes on to explain the arguments on both sides of the decision. Ian’s blind spot is in equating the rate of fire with the definition of a machine gun. This is the argument put forward by the leftist justices. Ian incorrectly states it is illegal to own machine guns.
As Justice Clarence Thomas notes on page 12 of the opinion: “A bump stock does not convert a semi-automatic rifle into a machinegun any more than a shooter with a lightning-fast trigger finger does.”
As noted in one of the lawsuits challenging the ATF administrative rule banning bump stocks, Jerry Miculek has demonstrated shooting a revolver at a faster rate than bump stocks generally do, at eight shots per second, or 480 shots per minute. As noted in the legal brief:
Thus, as individuals can achieve, with greater accuracy, faster
(Excerpt) Read more at ammoland.com ...
Urban gangster boys with toys hope to kill off a rival gang unit with one burst.
Which is all you get with a Glock with a switch. Even with a 33 round extended magazine, a Glock with a switch has a 1,200 round per minute cyclic rate. That will empty a 33 round magazine in 1.65 seconds.
I suppose it depends on state law, but...
a gatling gun is legal.
min-gun made prior to 1986 is legal.
M79 grenade launcher is legal - not sure about the flechettes ammo(would be the only reason i would own one)
Our Right’s are God given and I don’t need permission from politicians or courts to exercise them!
“The six Republican justices handed down a decision on Friday that effectively legalizes civilian ownership of automatic weapons.”
Civilian ownership of automatic weapons is legal now at the federal level, IF . . .
Most of that IF is if you have the money. I think a Colt M-16 transferred on a form 4 is now about $30,000; maybe more.
We could only hope that was true.
I prefer aimed fire.
That said I had some good times burning up other peoples ammo with full auto.
“I prefer aimed fire.”
That is the debate: full auto or aimed fire - as if it has to always be one or the other.
The funniest comment (not to be taken seriously) I ever read on this matter was on another forum: “It is a good thing the Germans switched to assault rifles; if they had stuck with bolt actions they would have won the war.”
amen
One can also cause automatic fire with finger on trigger and thumb hooked in pant belt loop.
A bump stock just wastes ammo.
Rubber bands are just as effective.
I watched that video in slo-mo on a video player with timing to the hundredth of a second, then measured the time between when the first spent casing was ejected until the 10th. Jerry got those 10 rounds out at the equivalent of something like 525 rounds/min.
There’s another video of him beta-dumping a 27-rd mag through a 9mm 1911. His equivalent ROF through that was about 425-ish, but his trigger finger was slowing noticeably the last few rounds.
It is a stand-in for the "guns are bad" generic argument.
Guns are "too small" (concealable) or "too big" .50 cal. singleshot.
Guns are "too accurate" (sniper rifle) or "too inacurrate" inexpensive handgun.
Guns are "not powerfull enough" (Saturday Night Special) or "too powerful" Magnum revolvers.
This is Goldilocks Gun Control. Keep making the number of guns that are "just right" fewer and fewer, until none are left.
I watched this. Embarrassing... I guess it’s that odd thing about him that his lightning-fire trigger finger and target eye/hold configuration are so incongruent with what it takes to make a bump stock rock. My nephew can take a regular AK clone and loop his thumb through his right hip belt loop and bump with the best. :0)
And, yes, I’ve heard all the “it’s a waste of ammo, etc.” Don’t need to hear it again.
Jerry Miculek has demonstrated shooting a revolver at a faster rate than bump stocks
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Well, Jerry is going to have to have his trigger finger chopped off.
No, he didn't.
Miculek's problem is the Evel Knievel syndrome. No matter how fantastic what he does is, somebody's always going to claim he did something even more unbelievable.
Jerry's highest-ever recorded sustained rate-of-fire from a revolver was eight shots in 1.06 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHG-ibZaKM
I checked the video and 1.06 does not include his reaction time, just the time from when the first round goes off.
Eight rounds in 1.06 seconds works out to 453 rpm. Most bump-fire ARs are considerably faster than that, up to 800 rpm.
In the video in the OP, Miculek lost a 10-round "drag race" with his race gun semi-auto AR-15 against a bump-fire stock, despite managing about 525 rpm (equivalent) with the semi-auto. If 525 is slower than a bump-fire, then 453 is WAY slower.
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