Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 05/31/2024 8:38:59 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-54 next last
To: SeekAndFind

The only thing he did was hire a sleazy, lying lawyer. My guess is he never had anything to do with her but Cohen did. Other than living and doing business in New York, Trump did nothing anyone else hasn’t done. NDA’s are not illegal and since they are legal contracts are in fact legal expenses. He’ll win on appeal. The bigger view is he allowed the corrupt DOJ to open Pandoras box. Now the rael show begins.


24 posted on 05/31/2024 8:48:21 AM PDT by KenW255
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind
Law professor Jonathan Turley doesn't even know what Trump was convicted of.

In reality, he was convicted for daring to run again and take the lead in the polls.

25 posted on 05/31/2024 8:48:22 AM PDT by Kazan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

There was literally not a statute which the prosecution or the corrupt judge said was violated.


30 posted on 05/31/2024 8:50:47 AM PDT by CodeToad (Rule #1: The elites want you dead.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind
Dude, this is very simple.

Trump is guilty of running against a Democrat.

32 posted on 05/31/2024 8:51:25 AM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting…)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

Good question. I want to understand the flim-flam law that was broken too.


33 posted on 05/31/2024 8:51:26 AM PDT by stevio (Fight until you die.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind
Well as best as I understand it, he was convicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records. But that is only a misdemeanor under New York law. They used some convoluted legal logic that had never been used before that caused the 34 misdemeanors to by increased to felonies because they were part of a "conspiracy to commit other crimes". The other crimes being "defrauding" voters by suppressing the Stormy Daniels story, FEC Records violations and Tax violations. (The Jury got to pick which one applied.)

The thing is Trump was never charged with any of the three "other" crimes because none of them were actually illegal under New York law. However, since they were illegal under federal law, New York used them as the crimes Trump was supposedly in a conspiracy to violate.

And yes, I took multiple law classes in college and still this is the most convoluted, tortured legal logic I have ever seen. How can you be charged with a misdemeanor that somehow magically turns into a felony for conspiracy to violate a law you were never charged with let alone convicted of and isn't even illegal in that jurisdiction?

34 posted on 05/31/2024 8:52:16 AM PDT by apillar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

Orange man bad


37 posted on 05/31/2024 8:53:50 AM PDT by janetjanet998 (Legacy media including youtube are the enemy of the people and must die)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: All

Legally speaking paying your lawyer isn’t a legal fee


40 posted on 05/31/2024 8:56:24 AM PDT by escapefromboston (Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind
I think I heard Levin say this conviction has to go to SCOTUS for appeal ASAP, or the rule of law in the USA is dead.

This is my understanding of Levin's comments :

So (again as I understand it) NY convicted Trump with 30+ State felonies for alleging he violated Federal election laws, thus overstepping the Constitutional jurisdiction of the State, and this requires immediate intervention and reversal by SCOTUS to preserve Federalism.

42 posted on 05/31/2024 9:00:47 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (The history of the present Federal Government is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations ....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind
You should read the Jury instructions. Not that long, and makes the case very clear. In regards to #3.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/05/29/nyregion/judge-trump-hush-money-trial-jury-instructions.html

45 posted on 05/31/2024 9:02:25 AM PDT by Wayne07
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

I’ll try to give a serious answer. He was convicted of a misdemeanor of false accounting. That wasn’t true because his accountant did the accounting using a drop down menu and testified that Trump had no knowledge, but...

The misdemeanor was raised to a felony (and thereby extended the statute of limitations) because it was to further another criminal act. This is where it gets tricky.

Since Trump had not been convicted of a criminal act, the jury had to find him guilty of one. They were given three choices:

1 - Violating the Federal Election Campaign Act, meaning Cohen’s payment to Daniels was a contribution to Trump’s campaign that exceeded the legal limit.

2 - Falsifying other business records, after Cohen created a fake shell company to send the Daniels payment in 2016.

3 - Violating tax laws by making false entries on tax returns related to the payment.

Oddly - and in direct violation of the Supreme Court - the jurors did not have to agree which of those three Trump was guilty of. I’ve read no one KNOWS if they agreed on one because the judge told them they did not need to.

Also, a jury in a state court cannot - I believe - find Trump guilty of federal crimes. That is why he normally would need to have been convicted of them in federal court FIRST.

But...the judge had no intention of letting the law stand in way of a conviction.


48 posted on 05/31/2024 9:04:07 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

The crime was DEFEATING Bill Clinton’s harpy, low-life, ugly wife, Hillary.


52 posted on 05/31/2024 9:07:24 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (The yoke of government must be kept light if Freedom is to Prevail.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

Felony failure to return overdue library books, felony feeding a parking meter, felony driving 3 mph over the posted speed limit, and, of course, 100,000 counts of felony failure to keep his front lawn mowed, one count for each blade of grass 1/4” longer than the legal limit.


54 posted on 05/31/2024 9:09:15 AM PDT by coloradan (They're not the mainstream media, they're the gaslight media. It's what they do. )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

No

It’s vapor law


56 posted on 05/31/2024 9:13:01 AM PDT by combat_boots
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

The felony Donald Trump committed was beating Hitlery Clinton.


57 posted on 05/31/2024 9:14:01 AM PDT by EastTexasTraveler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

Opposing rabid abortionists.
Promoting freedom and economic progress.
Promoting American interests over international global social communism. Campaigning while being a white male republican.
Not being a GROPElite stooge.


60 posted on 05/31/2024 9:26:05 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (Method, motive, and opportunity: No morals, shear madness and hatred by those who cheat.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

The only way this got to be characterized as a felony was in committing a years-old misdemeanor but doing so in order to hide another (presumably earlier) crime of some sort. To do this it is essential to identify the earlier (covered up) crime.
Think killing a witness to your having murdered someone else.

However, the judge did not require the prosecutor to ID the earlier crime. He did not allow the defense to ask witnesses what that crime might be. The judge allowed the prosecutor to allude to an earlier crime and instructed the jury to convict if they simply thought that an earlier crime MIGHT exist..

The judge had no interest in implementing the laws of the US.


70 posted on 05/31/2024 9:52:17 AM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo, )
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

The essential crime is that DJT’s accountant selected “Legal Expense” from the Quicken dropdown list, instead of “Personal Expense”, and he did it while conspiring to be elected president.

Remember Pretty Boy John Edwards, who fathered a child by his videographer while his wife was undergoing cancer chemotherapy, booked his NDA payment as a personal expense. The Feds charged him the same way, asserting it should have been booked as a legal expense. For better or for worse, the good jurors of North Carolina provided jury nullification.


71 posted on 05/31/2024 9:52:40 AM PDT by RedElement
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

Orange Man Bad! That’s all you need to know.

The jury was instructed that they could each pick a different crime and still convict him. The democrat hack judge didn’t want to take any chance on a hung jury or, heaven forbid, an acquittal.

Whether it gets overturned based on multiple reversible errors doesn’t matter, because any appeals won’t be decided until long after the election.


75 posted on 05/31/2024 9:54:36 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy ( Dementia Joe is Not My President)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: SeekAndFind

Falsifying records


80 posted on 05/31/2024 9:58:39 AM PDT by Jonny7797
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-54 next last

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Bloggers & Personal
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson