Ukraine Has a Path to Victory?

Gateway Pundit ^ | Jan. 10, 2024 | By Larry Johnson

[Gaffer]

Biden is only using support for Ukraine as a means to keep his criminal doings there secret AND to divert attention away from his abysmal aegis of our economy.

[BobL]

“The points I made are absolutely true. You won’t address them because you can’t refute them.”

Their counter-claim seems to be that Putin woke up in a shitty mood on Feb 24, 2022 and decided that invading Ukraine would cheer him up. And, I guess, the entire Russian General Staff also woke up in a crappy mood, so they agreed with Putin.

[Gaffer]

No, they probably don’t but that’s the goal of their ‘migrant’ invaders. Make America Your Sh!thole [your mother country’s name here] Again.

The difference here is that the government of Ukraine is actively fighting the Russian invaders; the US government is not fighting its invaders.

[Kazan]

The dirty little secret is that Russians repeatedly tried to prevent or end this war -- with the Minsk Accords, by coming to us with their security concerns in 12/21 and in Turkey in March of 2022.

We and other NATO countries repeatedly chose war, foolishly believing it was a war they could win.

[BobL]

What ANGERS me on this site is that EVERY ONE of the regulars regarding Ukraine knows the history there, but, for some sick reason, they keep pushing the Biden Administration lies. But I guess we’re stuck with them.

[lodi90]

You’ve got it exactly backwards. Kyiv was a Russian speaking city by choice even 8 years after Putin stole Crimea. The first thing invading Russian Nazis do when they steal a piece of Ukraine is tear down Ukrainian language signs and replace them with Russian ones.

Belittling and demeaning Ukrainians desire for their own country, language and culture is beneath conservatives. Or at least it use to be. They have just as right to those things as we do.

[Rockingham]

If you change the population of a region though a massive wave of immigrants that do not assimilate and though reeducation and cultural changes in the native populace, you can change the flag and national identity of that region. After all, that is what is intended by extreme Mexican nationalists and Chicano rights activists for the US Southwest using massive Mexican immigration to accomplish “La Reconquista” — The Reconquest.

[Cronos]

You do realize that the ethnic cleansing was done by Putin's Russia, right?

Look at the deaths since 2014

Last year we housed Ukrainian refugees who came from the area around Kyiv

They were and are Russian speakers - just like Zelenskyy

They come from a Russian speaking area of Ukraine, they spoke Russian at home. Naturally, they felt no persecution at all, because Ukraine does not persecute people because of the language they speak. They all said, that persecution of Russian speakers in Ukraine is absolute BS, nobody is being persecuted for speaking Russian.

Russian occupied territory, on the other hand, is very different. We have evidence from people, who were thrown in concentration camps for saying a word of Ukrainian. People were killed for having a Ukrainian flag.

And last, but certainly not least, the Russians in occupied territories of Ukraine, in a very Nazi fashion, burned all the books in Ukrainian. Yes, they burned books in Ukrainian on a number of occasions.

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Next, look at the 14,000 killed in the Donbas conflict from 2014 to Feb 2022 -- civilians numbers 3,500 and evenly distributed on both sides of the conflict

During Russia’s 2014-2021 military operations against Ukraine, 14,500 people died in the Donbas war. Of that 14,000, 3,404 were civilians, 4,400 were Ukrainian servicemen and 6,500 were Russian militants.

The figure Putinistas use, 14000, is the total number of casualties incurred in the Donbas war by both sides.

Data obtained from the reports of the so-called “Commissioner for Human Rights in the Donetsk People’s Republic” show casualty figures even lower than those of the United Nations. In a 2020 report the total losses of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) since the start of the war in Donbas are estimated to be 4,959. This is the figure that is officially recorded by the DPR “legislature”.

The report also claims that the majority of deaths occurred in 2014-2015, when 2,546 and 1,395 died respectively. In subsequent years the number of casualties in the Donbas war has significantly decreased. In 2016, 348 people were killed, in 2017 – 278, in 2018 – 154, in 2019 – 160 people. In 2020, 44 people died, marking the lowest casualty rate for the entire period of the armed conflict -- and that was mainly people dying from RUSSIAN land-mines

The number of deaths among the civilian population, which the “ombudsman” of the DPR cites in his reports, in recent years show only isolated cases of local populations’ deaths. In 2017, the number civilian casualties were 32, in 2018 – 19, in 2019 – 9, and in 2020 – 5 people. As these statistics attest, even official bodies of the self-proclaimed republics do not confirm the “mass destruction of the civilian population of the republics by Ukrainian Armed Forces

25% of civilians killed were due to separatist land mines

Go back and check the veracity of the russian sites you are reading

Keeping this in mind, you really should stop repeating your false statements, sackajawa

[Cronos]

Russia has and is weaker today than it was in Feb 2022

In Feb 2022 everyone believed they had a military able to go toe-to-toe with the USA. Today everyone knows they can’t manage China - and China knows that.

In Feb 2022 Russia had dominance over energy supplies to European countries. Today it has to sell oil at 50% discount to India and China and get payment in rupees and renminbi

In Feb 2022 everyone believed that Russian weaponry was a good purchase. Today their sales have fallen looking at how badly they have performed

In Feb 2022 everyone believed that Russia would dominate Ukraine or absorb it - that’s why Biden withdrew American advisors and wanted to evacuate Zelenskyy and let Ukraine collapse. It didn’t happen.

[Cronos]

Janek - Russia carried out ethnic cleansing in Crimea and in the Donetsk People’s republic and the Luhansk People’s republic.

[Cronos]

you certainly seem to care with your pro-Putin posts...

[Navy Patriot]

"Operation Eagle Boner"

I believe that is the current Pentagon operation toward Ukraine.

It seems Zelensky did Nazi it coming.

[Cronos]

Kazan on 10thJanuary 2024 “The Russians nor anyone with a brain thinks Ukraine was going to be defeated in a week or quickly.”

And you also said:
on 20th July 2022 https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4079519/posts?page=96#96
Only someone completely ignorant of what is going on can’t find a daily map of the areas Russia controls and see how much ground the Russians have been gaining week by week.

2nd November 2022 https://freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/4105258/posts?page=26#26
Ukraine’s military position will continue to erode in the coming weeks

4th November 2022 https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4106075/posts?page=24#24
Russia will control Kherson both next week and for as long as any of us are alive.

12th November 2022 https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4108353/posts?page=27#27
“EVERYTHING changes in 4 weeks; this is Putin’s calm before the storm | Redacted with Clayton Morris
The ground in Ukraine will likely freeze in the next 4-7 weeks. When that happens, we will see everything change in Ukraine.”

So are you saying you didn’t have a brain or you don’t have one?

After all, you, Kazan did write -
28th Jan 2022 https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4033214/posts?page=21#21
I’d put up a welcome sign if Russia wants to invade the US

[Cronos]

Ukraine is still independent - that’s against what Putin’s goals were in Feb 2022. That is a win.

It is a bloody win, like a woman who fights off an Islamic state slaver - she is bloodied and wounded, but still alive and still free.

Or perhaps you support the Islamic state slavers?

[Cronos]

So then you support New York and California seceding when Trump wins in 2024?