Posted on 01/05/2024 9:12:54 PM PST by bitt
I did say that Hillary came into possession of hundreds of FBI files. I did say that Craig Livingstone was the person who acquired those files. We all know that for the longest time nobody admitted to hiring Livingstone.
It's possible that the FBI undertook this scheme on their own and the Clintons (or a Clinton insider) became aware of it and took advantage of it. You have to remember that in 1993 the White House Travel Office scandal began with the firing of long-time travel office personnel who were replaced with Clinton cronies. It's possible that the Clintons, new to DC and now under scrutiny for cronyism, decided to get some leverage of their own by getting a hold of classified FBI files on their potential enemies to send a message to people who might have been trying to mess with them.
It's possible that they found out more than they anticipated once they got a hold of those files. It's even possible that the parts of the FBI that managed the documents didn't understand the implications of giving those files to Craig Livingstone.
Anyway, this would all have been happening at the very earliest days of the Epstein sex trafficking ring. I doubt that Clinton was sampling the product at this time. He wouldn't need to, he was the President of the United States.
Now, fast-forward twenty years after Clinton is out of office...
One thing that bothers me is the report of a painting seen in Epstein's home in 2012 of Bill Clinton wearing Monica Lewinsky's blue dress and the artist who painted it. Forgetting about the reason why the artist painted, I'm surprised that the Clintons didn't demand that Epstein take it down, given that so many prominent people visited his home, Hillary was the Secretary of State, and was planning her own run for the presidency in 2016.
The artist says that she didn't intend for the painting to mock Clinton, but I think that Epstein certainly intended that impression by keeping it hung so centrally inside his home. The fact that the Clintons were apparently powerless to get Epstein to remove it suggests that the power in that circle tilted towards Epstein for some reason.
The notion that Barack Obama's Secretary of State and the heir-apparent to "Obama's third term" as President couldn't get Epstein to take down the painting mocking the Clintons in front of Epstein's powerful acquaintances (like Prince Andrew of England) says something -- I'm just not sure what -- but it can't be good for the Clintons.
-PJ
Interesting post. My thoughts:
1. The Clintons were comparatively very young when they came to power, compared to the existing political ruling class. Therefore, I think much of that FBI information was old, not hot off the press info from Epstein.
2. Occam’s Razor would indicate they just saw a file on one person, and asked to see more, rather than actively being involved in any way.
3. I would be careful trying to get inside the mind of any of these sociopaths, including those on the R side, and what they are thinking. It could very well be that Clinton might find that picture funny, or entertaining in some sick twisted way. Truly evil people enjoy lying, for example, in a way most God fearing people simply can’t comprehend. All we can know for sure is to stay away and keep them from impacting our lives.
Good post though. These certainly are interesting times, and a lot of the things they want us to believe about people and events simply aren’t true. It’s amazing how gullible some people are these days, when the access to information is greater than ever before. Question everything, I say. I grew up listening to Paul Harvey every day and “the rest of the story” because things are never quite what they seem.
It might be interesting to discover if Border Patrol or ICE was letting him pickup female “unaccompanied minors” somehow.
There would be no trace or investigation if some “disappeared”, never to be seen again.
I’m increasingly suspecting that the “Deep State” is international in scope, with government employees serving the interests of the rich and powerful, not just of the US.
Some speculated that Epstein was working for Mossad (given papa Maxwell’s connections), others that he was FBI/CIA given their protection, some even MI6.
Why either/or, rather than “all of the above”.
This de facto takeover of the Government is precisely what I believe has happened.
They’ve compromised all of our political leaders and judges and now they sit down n the back and make our decisions, and especially our election decisions.
There is one way to turn their institutionalized corruption on is head - TERM LIMITS.
With a Conservative Court we may overturn this BS and THAT would totally disrupt their cabal.
Now more than ever we have to renew our drive for Term Limits.
It is crystal clear that the game afoot in all of FED GOV is BLACKMAIL. Six ways from Sunday.
See my post content at #4.
Thanks for posting thus, freepersup.
Bill Barr.
I knew something was fishy about him.
That's quite possible. I'm brainstorming possibilities.
Still, there are several factoids out there that makes one go hmmmm... I'd be careful to assume a naïveté with the Clintons.
Mills resigned, and Clinton buddy Jim Guy Tucker (then Arkansas Attorney General) replaced Mills in Congress. Clinton took Tucker's seat as Attorney General. Clinton eventually became Governor, and when he became President Tucker left Congress and took over as Governor after Clinton.
Occam’s Razor would indicate they just saw a file on one person, and asked to see more, rather than actively being involved in any way.
Occam's Razor is often misquoted. It does not mean that "the simplest explanation is often the correct one." The real definition is "the alternative that relies on the fewest assumptions is likely the correct one." To cite Occam's Razor, one must list the assumptions that predicate it.
I think your assumption is asserted in your first sentence, that the Clinton's were "comparatively very young when they came to power" and so they saw one file, became intrigued and asked for more.
My assumption is different. It is based on my points above that Hillary was a Watergate lawyer, the Clintons were involved in the Whitewater real estate scandal with the McDougals, Bill Clinton worked his way up the Arkansas political machine that was rife with sex scandals (Flowers, Jones, Broderick). It is within this world that I would believe the Clintons would want to see FBI files. Recall that upwards of 700 files were accessed; this is not something done in a onesie-twosie style.
I would be careful trying to get inside the mind of any of these sociopaths, including those on the R side, and what they are thinking. It could very well be that Clinton might find that picture funny, or entertaining in some sick twisted way.
I don't disagree with this at all.
I'm just making the point that the fact of this painting hanging in Epstein's home where power-brokers visit not only mocks Bill Clinton, but his wife Hillary who was the former Senator of New York, Obama's current Secretary of State, and the next Democrat candidate for President.
One would think that, if not Bill Clinton, then at least Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama would tell Epstein that prominently displaying the painting in front of Democrat megadonors hurts Obama's credibility indirectly and Hillary's reputation outright in the lead-in to 2016.
-PJ
Thanks for another good post. I’m not sure that portrait of Clinton is mocking him, though, in the minds of these sociopaths, or anyone who saw it before it was made public. Clinton is smiling if not laughing, if I recall. Happy, not tortured. If anything, I think it more portrays Clinton mocking those who tried to take him down with the dress. That, along with some sort of sexual perversion. I think that’s what I first thought when I saw it myself. Since there was a relationship of some sort between them, I wondered in Clinton hadn’t been involved in it being made somehow.
If you read my words in the post, and the context of prior posts, I think you will find that I said: 1) the author said she wasn't mocking Clinton (or Bush in the photo of a painting she made about him in the articles I linked), and 2) it was the prominent hanging by Epstein of the painting in his home that was the mockery of Clinton.
I wondered in Clinton hadn’t been involved in it being made somehow.
This tells me that you didn't read the links that I offered. If you had, you wouldn't be wondering about this, you would know that the artist had a model who dressed in a blue dress and posed for her. Clinton himself had nothing to do with it.
-PJ
“Why either/or, rather than “all of the above”.”
Good post.
In the modern world it is not nation vs nation.
It is the international elites vs the rest of the population.
Didn’t Jeffery once work for BS Barr’s father? I am more prone to think Jeffery was used by the Bush/Barr network, initially ... I no longer consider the Bush family to be on the right side .. they used the US for their own empire building purposes as much as FDR established for the liberals ...
-PJ
Which is it? Mossad or FBI? Or both?
FYI at 21 college dropout Epstien, was hired by BS Barr’s father to ‘teach’.
Digging further into it, it appears that Barr left his position three months before Epstein began his job. I agree that it's unusual to hire someone so young and non-degreed as a teacher of such an advanced topic like physics, and then to leave before the hire even takes the job.
It looks on the surface that this school was some kind of an avant-garde school for the elite. I can't say that the elder Barr was grooming Epstein since he left before Epstein arrived, but it is one of those oddities that leaves doors wide open for interpretation.
-PJ
I agree.
Although I would add the CIA. I hypothesize that Bill Clinton was a hook to attract the powerful into the Honey Pot and the FBI and CIA (if the power player was an international) leveraged them to do whatever the Cabal wanted or needed to be done. This explains why DC does very little positive for American interests. This explains why people like Roberts, Barr, Sessions, et al. have been so disappointing. They are being leveraged by whoever or whatever is in control of the levers. It is important that all the names etc. become public.
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