Posted on 11/27/2023 7:42:02 PM PST by BroJoeK
This is a vanity post by yours truly, BroJoeK -- old man yells at cloud (Fox News)
How many have noticed how passively aggressive Fox News has become towards Donald Trump?
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Sure, I understand that, but according to conventional political wisdom, the US electorate is divided up roughly evenly from:
Trump's base today includes pretty much all of the Rand Paul grade conservatives plus some of those allegedly moderate swing voters.
I saw enough Trump rallies to know they were huge, tens and tens of thousands cheering, while the rare Biden rally was just a few cars honking their horns.
I don't think Fox misrepresented that at all.
As for "ambivalent", sure, some were, but far from all, or even a majority of Fox TV personalities, especially in prime time.
Robert DeLong : "After J6 they have completely allowed their true feelings for Trump be expressed throughout all of Murdoch's media outlet's.
That's because the GOPe is scared to death of Trump, because he presents a real threat to the GOPe.
The GOPe still doesn't realize that Trump is the only reason many with in the base even support the Republican Party at all.
They continue to ignore any & all revelations coming forth since access to these tapes have been allowed."
This is where things get murky for me because I don't know the real facts, only competing claims, counter-claims and denials, not all of which can be true, but none of which I can personally verify.
One hopes that eventually the real facts will come out in a format where a reasonable person can decide what to accept or not.
In the meantime, until proven otherwise, I'm sticking with Trump's version of events.
Robert DeLong : "The Dominion Lawsuit was their own fault for not fighting back, but his son Lachlan Murdoch is a big liberal anyway.
The hiring of Paul Ryan hates Trump with a passion.
To bad Paul & Pierre Delecto couldn't beat their way out of a wet paper bag, and so both have envy issues that Trump succeeded where they miserably failed."
All of that is deep inside baseball, well beyond my knowledge of facts or understanding of the issues at stake.
Robert DeLong : "Was Jesse Watters one of those who trashed Trump, or was it guests that appeared on Watters Primetime?"
So far as I've ever seen, Waters is 100% Trump-friendly, which is why I doubt if he even knew the shenanigans somebody played on his very clever comparison of Biden's vs. Trump's weekend appearances.
I don't expect to see Waters sh*t on Trump, and was most disturbed when it happened last night.
Robert DeLong : "But if you are tired of it, don't get mad, just walk away from Fox.
They honestly do not care if you get mad, because by watching them you are still supporting them."
Opinions honestly expressed are one thing, and I can watch the shows and personalities I like, but sneaky passive-aggressive behind the scenes manipulations I don't like and am most thankful to use Free Republic to blow off some steam.
Thank you, Jim Robinson,
It's cute that you think your enemy programmed AI isn't presenting you what our enemies want you to see.
"Fox News agreed to pay more than $787 million to Dominion Voting Systems after the sides hammered out a last-minute settlement Tuesday in the explosive defamation case launched against the right-wing network.
People who have kept up with that topic know that Fox gave up without a fight, while even Allen Dershowitz was telling them this was easily winnable.
Nobody understood why Fox did this. It's nuts.
If Fox helped steal the 2020 election and then paid $787 million for reporting on charges against Dominion, how does that even work?
People are very puzzled as to why Fox would just hand these people 800 million when they didn't have to do so, but there is no puzzlement at all about Fox calling the election early in Arizona for corrupt bitch Biden.
The liberal Murdock brothers taking over from their dad has resulted in a lot of changes at Fox that makes it just as much of a lying "news" organization as the other mouthpieces of the corrupt government in DC.
That's because you rely too much on Fox news for your news. It was a Fedsurrention, without question, and it started before Trump had even completed his speech. A lot of that evidence is even brought to this board. Perhaps you should look into those posts.
For years they refused to show even the slightest bit of interest in Ray Epps, even though there was a large amount of video footage showing him on 2 days straight urging people to go into the Capital building, Recently they could no longer ignore the overwhelming video footage, including where he whispers into the ear of a guy who then proceeds to tear down the plastic fencing barrier that instructed going beyond this point was prohibited, and so they charged him with a misdemeanor to provide him with a slap on the wrist.
It's not murky at all, you just apparently aren't interested, me thinks. I hope I'm wrong.
And just in time, here is an article to explain what I mean regarding the AI being untrustworthy.
I confess to being a bit lazy and not taking the time to click on the links back to news reports from which that AI response quoted.
I could have referenced the actual news articles with just a few more moments of work, but tried to save time.
The truth is, that AI report is a factual summary of public information on the Fox settlement with Dominion.
DiogenesLamp: "People who have kept up with that topic know that Fox gave up without a fight, while even Allen Dershowitz was telling them this was easily winnable.
Nobody understood why Fox did this. It's nuts."
I don't understand either and also suspect that Tucker Carlson's firing was somehow wrapped up in all this.
I thought when Fox replaced Bill O'Reilly with Tucker Carlson in 2017 it turned out to be a nice upgrade of the show.
Now I like Jessie Waters, always have, great personality, younger generation, perfect for the spot.
But he's not in the same intellectual league as Tucker Carlson.
Tucker Carlson could take on much more serious responsibilities in life, than merely crafting astute words to express his cogent opinions.
I just wish he wasn't so wrong about Ukraine. š
DiogenesLamp: "People are very puzzled as to why Fox would just hand these people 800 million when they didn't have to do so, but there is no puzzlement at all about Fox calling the election early in Arizona for corrupt bitch Biden."
I would say there were at least 100 things that went wrong for Trump in 2020, and if we list them from most to least important, then Fox calling Arizona too early is somewhere below halfway down the list.
DiogenesLamp: "The liberal Murdock brothers taking over from their dad has resulted in a lot of changes at Fox that makes it just as much of a lying "news" organization as the other mouthpieces of the corrupt government in DC."
Of all the major news outlets, Fox News is the least worst and nearly all of what annoys me most about them falls into the category of "fair and balanced", meaning Fox lets Democrats express their opinions too.
And I'm OK with "fair and balanced", hard as it is to take sometimes.
I've seen many claims, counterclaims and denials and can't personally verify any of them.
So, think everything has to be investigated thoroughly, exposed & prosecuted where appropriate.
I suspect the real culprits here are the Democrat leadership and that explains why they are so obsessed with trying to jail Donald Trump -- to protect their own guilty selves.
Robert DeLong: "It's not murky at all, you just apparently aren't interested, me thinks.
I hope I'm wrong."
I'm totally interested and suspect some serious Democrats need to spend quality time in jail for their crimes at that time.
But that's not going to happen with just this old man yelling at clouds.
It will take strong Republican majorities investigating the h*ll out of the entire election season and referring guilty Democrats for prosecution.
The question is, how do we get there, and I don't think it's by conservatives waging political war on each other.
So far, I am putting my Bing AI query in the same category as, for example, Wikipedia which I know most Freepers hate for its leftist biases.
But if you are just looking for facts -- dates, names, science, statistics, historical events -- it's perfectly fine in that it represents mainstream "conventional wisdom", majority opinions if nothing else.
Then, if I want to dispute those, I can go looking for better data, but at least I start out knowing what the more-or-less accepted viewpoints are.
$700 million. Where did the money go, and how is it being used? A lot of these lawsuits are vehicles for laundering money into āusefulā progressive pockets. Tax write offs for the payers, and the payees are more often than not some type of tax sheltered entity. It appears to me the Murdocks knew how the money would be used and went along with the settlement. The insurance companies take the hit, and we all pay for it in higher premiums.
I have no problem with that, but the forces in control sure had, and continue to have, a problem with that, and yet you still have doubts that persist?
You really need to start doing a much better job of connecting the dots.
Not only was the election stolen, the GOPe was in on it & assisted in that theft.
Just for the record I have been a life-long Republican supporter. I have never supported the corrupt Democrat Party. My short-sidedness allowed me to believe that the Republican Party was merely the Stupid Party. I still only support the Republican Party, but only because I want to strip the party of the clowns in charge who have dissed its base for far too long, and have exposed themselves as being as corrupt as the Democrats, where they receive financial gains for being nothing more than the controlled opposition. The Democrats are the truly evil ones in control.
Perhaps you still do not see that either.
Perhaps you also just believe that Covid was just bad timing, and that the reports of a new pneumonia threat that primary affects children is real also. It's just another setup to generate fear to control the 2024 elections too.
People are just not waking up, and it is so important that people start waking up before everything is lost to the tyrant elites who really do have designs of taking over the world with a One World Government.
It's not a conspiracy theory, but it certainly is a conspiracy that is real & and has been in the planning for decades.
Look around you & see what is happening in all of the so-called allied nations of WWII that fought for freedom. Do you think that the invasions happening in all of these nations is the direct cause of Climate Change? It's the result of careful planning to create chaos, which is a valuable weapon that has been in use since before Christ walked upon the earth. They create problems in order to generate fear in order to promise solutions to "solve" the problems chaos brings in order to obtain more & more power & control.
You can view me as a nutcase, I don't really care. My task is to wake people up, and that is all that matters to me. If you do not wake up, what I am saying now will come back to haunt you when the elites succeed. Wake up & fight these insidious plans that the elites have conceived, for we really have the strength of numbers, but we must unite to realize that strength we possess.
Which if anything, tends to support the claim that Fox collaborated to throw the election to Biden. That they would give up without a fight on a clearly winnable case indicates there is something else going on here.
I would say there were at least 100 things that went wrong for Trump in 2020, and if we list them from most to least important, then Fox calling Arizona too early is somewhere below halfway down the list.
I don't care where a backstabbing traitor is on the list of important things to worry about, I need only conclude that someone is one to decide they are the enemy from henceforward.
Fox burned their bridge with me. So far as I'm concerned, I hope they go out of business.
Of all the major news outlets, Fox News is the least worst and nearly all of what annoys me most about them falls into the category of "fair and balanced", meaning Fox lets Democrats express their opinions too.
My intent is to make NewsMax the dominant news outlet in America. My way of accomplishing this is to watch them and to refuse to watch Fox or any of the others.
And encourage others to do likewise.
At least $787 million.
You raise good questions, an interesting theory, impossible to confirm.
My far more simplified theory is that Fox calculated corrupt US judges & juries were unlikely to grant them a legal victory in court, despite what Allen Dershowitz said, and the negative publicity would be fatal to Fox.
So, risk vs. reward, cheaper to pay than fight.
But no way to know for sure.
No, for me it's not about "doubts", rather the absence of confirmed facts.
There is a long list of claims & denials and I have no way to verify which, if any, are true.
Today, "conventional wisdom" about the 2020 election says Democrats didn't outright steal the election, they simply abolished the laws against stealing, so, magically, they won fair and square.
Republicans are left befuddled and sucking our thumbs in frustration.
Can we ever make this right again?
Well, we've got a h*ll of a lot going for us, enough that to me it feels like 1980s again, when Ronald Reagan lead us to landslide victories, making Jimmy Carter a one-term president.
With Trump we have another champion, and this time with potentials for majorities in both Houses of Congress, along with hopefully steely determination to finally fix what Democrats have made so wrong.
I'm optimistic, and hopeful that investigations can lead to effective prosecutions of some very high level Democrats.
Robert DeLong: "You really need to start doing a much better job of connecting the dots.
Not only was the election stolen, the GOPe was in on it & assisted in that theft."
Well, first of all, not every state election was stolen, Trump won many states and many others Democrats so dominate, no need to steal anything.
A few states were disputed, including my own Pennsylvania, and here events have been mixed.
On the one hand, in 2022 PA Democrats flaunted their absolute political dominance here by electing a literal idiot US Senator over Trump's hand selected Republican.
In 2023 Democrats easily elected a liberal Democrat to the state Supreme Court over the abortion issue.
On the other hand, polls now show Trump leading Biden in Pennsylvania, as well as nearly all other "swing states".
So there is at least some reason for optimism.
Also, I think Trump himself is a very fast learner, and will not let the Democrats do to him twice what they did in 2020.
Of course, if Democrats' law-fare against Trump is successful, that will make for a very interesting campaign season.
Robert DeLong: "Just for the record I have been a life-long Republican supporter.
I have never supported the corrupt Democrat Party.
My short-sidedness allowed me to believe that the Republican Party was merely the Stupid Party.
I still only support the Republican Party, but only because I want to strip the party of the clowns in charge who have dissed its base for far too long, and have exposed themselves as being as corrupt as the Democrats, where they receive financial gains for being nothing more than the controlled opposition.
The Democrats are the truly evil ones in control."
Agreed. Do you remember PA US Senator Arlen Specter?
Did you know that he was on the Warren Commission that whitewashed the JF Kennedy assassination?
He was my Republican choice in 1980, and in the end he flipped to the Democrats, in 2010, iirc.
So your words about weak and corrupted Republicans seem to apply well to Pennsylvania, if nowhere else.
I could go on, Pat Toomey, for example...
In 2022 PA Republicans ran a staunch conservative, pro-life candidate for Governor and he lost by a lot.
Democrats are running on abortion and winning, so far.
It's said that Trump can navigate that minefield.
We'll see.
Robert DeLong: "Perhaps you also just believe that Covid was just bad timing, and that the reports of a new pneumonia threat that primary affects children is real also. It's just another setup to generate fear to control the 2024 elections too."
At this point the basics on Covid seem clear, Fauci's "gain of function" research in Wuhan ran amuck and escaped, no way to tell if deliberately released, but for certain the CCP's policies were intended to spread it worldwide while restricting it as much as possible within China.
It seems pretty clear to me that Fauci is one of many big-time Democrats who need to spend quality time behind bars in jail contemplating how their brains got so thoroughly screwed up.
Robert DeLong: "Look around you & see what is happening in all of the so-called allied nations of WWII that fought for freedom.
Do you think that the invasions happening in all of these nations is the direct cause of Climate Change?
It's the result of careful planning to create chaos, which is a valuable weapon that has been in use since before Christ walked upon the earth.
They create problems in order to generate fear in order to promise solutions to "solve" the problems chaos brings in order to obtain more & more power & control."
Totally agree.
I think Donald Trump is our best possible answer and deserves our strongest support.
Sure, possibly, or maybe Fox feared the case was not as "winnable" as some people say, especially in the court of public opinion -- meaning the publicity could be fatal to Fox and so they paid to avoid it.
DiogenesLamp: "Fox burned their bridge with me.
So far as I'm concerned, I hope they go out of business...
My intent is to make NewsMax the dominant news outlet in America.
My way of accomplishing this is to watch them and to refuse to watch Fox or any of the others."
I've watched NewsMax on occasion and find it decidedly uninteresting, can't really put my finger on why.
And I'm not aware of any specific news report where News Max gave a decidedly different take on it than I could get from Fox.
So I'm fine with News Max, but don't see them ever replacing Fox, absent some major collapse such as might have resulted from the Dominion suit had Fox made a big fight of it.
No, there is plenty of evidence, you just have doubts, and I think I am being extremely generous with that conclusion.
I'm optimistic
Being optimistic and voting as well didn't keep Trump in the White House even though he won the 2020 election, because the election was stolen without question. The feckless Supreme Court refused to get involved in the election theft, because that worthless POS Chief Justice Roberts hated Trump, even saying that he will never let that bastard occupy the White House again.
Well, first of all, not every state election was stolen, Trump won many states and many others Democrats so dominate, no need to steal anything.
Well, no duh, but the reality is that it doesn't take every state to be stolen to steal an election. Even making that statement leaves your knowledge about the subject very suspect. It also doesn't take winning the popular vote to win. It takes 270 electoral votes.
Agreed. Do you remember PA US Senator Arlen Specter?
Of course
Did you know that he was on the Warren Commission that whitewashed the JF Kennedy assassination?
Not really.
Perhaps you were unaware that he was a Democrat back then, from 1951 to 1965 when he flipped from Democrat to Republican where he remained until 2009 when he flipped back to Democrat.
Well, at least you are aware that Covid was a weapon that I have little doubt the Democrats knew all about - because they literally are capable of doing anything, for their motto is; the ends justify the means.
You also understand why DJT is a must, because he is the only person willing to fight the corruption within our government that has reached epic proportions that most of us didn't even realized how pervasive it was until DJT was elected and the Covid engineered virus was unleashed upon the world. Perhaps there is hope for you, but you still need to get up to speed ,because those doubts you harbor are what prevent you from seeing the whole truth, and seeing the whole truth is necessary. The Republican Party, or should I say, those who support the GOPe, are corrupt or too stupid to be people we need to fight this fight with us.
A major portion of the country believes the election was stolen, and of these people, I would say they used to be Fox News' main audience.
The case is ridiculous on the face of it. No Fox personnel libeled Dominion. Their guests did. Fox had no liability in this at all.
I've watched NewsMax on occasion and find it decidedly uninteresting, can't really put my finger on why.
It's terrible. It's all yak yak yak with very little news. But at least it isn't the enemy.
One American News is likewise terrible as a news source because all they do is yak yak yak their own opinions and those of people they invite on to give opinions. Very little actual news being presented.
But as I said, at least they are not the enemy.
When I'm dealing with a soldier, my first concern is not how good he is or how well he can shoot, it's "Is he on my side or the enemy side?"
I'll take sh*tty service over good service if it is necessary not to support an enemy.
So I'm fine with News Max, but don't see them ever replacing Fox, absent some major collapse such as might have resulted from the Dominion suit had Fox made a big fight of it.
Only the liberals would care about that, and they used to not be Fox's primary customer.
It's the wives of the idiot Murdoch brothers who are screwing up Fox. They are taking the most successful news organization this century and turning it into just another liberal mouthpiece for the government.
I watch Newsmax on a regular basis, it took me a while to get used to the difference HOWEVER I really like the evening lineup!! Rob Schmidt, Eric Bolling, I really like Carl at the 2:00pm slot AND Chris Salsedo at the 1:00pm slot!! I havenāt even clicked on Fox for 3 years now SCREW THEM, they have betrayed who brung them to the dance!!!
What I find frustrating about it is they never seem to give any news, just people's reaction to it. If they ever have an actual news segment, I must be consistently missing it.
Whatever happened to a news anchor sitting at a desk and telling us about what happened in the nation and the world?
Fox is not pro trump. Their views are more in line with Haley and desantis on all things trump.
I have not watched fox since Tucker Carlson left except for soundbytes here and there
I get my news on YouTube and freerepublic
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