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To: Kazan

if the Russians could have taken Ukraine they would have by now

so, obviously they can’t

Russia will be lucky to hold on to Crimea ... even that they’ll probably lose

watch and weep, Russian stooges


17 posted on 08/20/2023 9:22:57 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (there would be no more need for NATO, if Russia could just stop attacking its neighbors)
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To: canuck_conservative

If Ukraine even wants to survive, they’re going to need to find better allies than the grifting Joe Biden fascists.


18 posted on 08/20/2023 9:25:24 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast (“We should not assume civilization is robust”)
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To: canuck_conservative

if the Russians could have taken Ukraine they would have by now

Yep, so they dig in and let Ukraine destroy themselves trying to dig them out. Ukraine can’t win militarily. They need NATO (meaning us and maybe a token European force) to go in and do it for them.


22 posted on 08/20/2023 9:34:37 AM PDT by rxh4n1
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To: canuck_conservative
"if the Russians could have taken Ukraine they would have by now"

Has anyone stopped to think that Russia (and China) are enjoying watching the U.S. bankrupt itself by sending billions of dollars, and military equipment to a war that Ukraine will never win? Hitler thought he could defeat Russia, but we all know how that ended up. Germany became dependent on Russia for the oil they had invaded Russia for in 1941.

Russia and China have been strange bedfellows for decades, We were fighting proxy wars with them in Korea. And it hasn't ended since.

24 posted on 08/20/2023 9:44:00 AM PDT by mass55th (“Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway.” ― John Wayne)
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To: canuck_conservative
You're clueless. The Russians are grinding Ukrainian into dust. The Ukrainians are sending their entire army into the meat grinder. Once the Ukrainian military is completely depleted, the Russians will be able to go on offensive with little resistance.

The Russians NEVER wanted to take the entire country, however. All they wanted to do was liberate the ethnic Russian part of the country, build a land bridge from Crimea to mainland Russia and take control of the Black Sea, which already mostly been accomplished.

31 posted on 08/20/2023 10:14:56 AM PDT by Kazan
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