Posted on 06/07/2023 9:16:44 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
Tucker Carlson released the first episode of “Tucker on Twitter” Tuesday night, opening with a casual “hey, it’s Tucker Carlson”
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Carlson—who said that “in journalism, curiosity is the greatest crime”—cited a widely reported claim by an Air Force veteran that the U.S. government had recovered proof of UFOs, including an intact aircraft of “non-human origin.” Carlson said of the story that “UFOs are actually real” and “in a normal country this news would qualify as a bombshell—the story of the millennium.”
Carlson noted that The New York Times had several stories on Ukraine, Donald Trump, trans people and climate change, but “not one word” on “an alien species flying hypersonic aircraft over our cities.”
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“You’ll get your summons.... ;-D”
Lol! Ok. And I’ll respond when I get it. (right up there with the check is in the mail)
God described firmament to separate the day and night? He didn't indicate they were solid things upon which we can land. When on the way to the moon, there was no division of night and day. Did the Bible break down at that time?
Let us also get over another point of severe confusion: God didn't write the Bible. The ones who did didn't know anything about orbital mechanics, chemistry, or physics. They were writing for an audience in exactly the same state of knowledge. Do you really think that the Bible is a Technical Manual for the Universe? It just isn't. You are attempting to get something from it that simply isn't there, nor intended to be.
So, you really don’t believe in Jesus or God. That is a logical extension of your stance.
“I’m just leery of those who try to take down Tucker by affixing these negative labels on him. Like they tried to pronounce him a racist just because he dared to talk about the “great replacement”
I’m leery of those who try to take him down, too.
That’s my point.
“Do you really think that the Bible is a Technical Manual for the Universe? It just isn’t. You are attempting to get something from it that simply isn’t there, nor intended to be.”
No, I don’t think it’s a ‘technical manual’. But I do think that God set out what we can expect to happen up until Jesus returns. It definitely is a “go by” on how to live and what to be prepared for.
And I also think that...if part of that “what to be prepared for” included that we’d be visited by extra-terrestrials or another species.... He would have mentioned it in His word. He said to look for many false prophets to rise up and appear in the end days. He did NOT say to expect ETs to start arriving.
Disclaimer: As a life-long SciFi fan, I’m loving this whole conversation, discussion and debate, though.
How do you couple the emergence of other intelligent life forms at Earth with the Second Coming of Christ? Honestly and sincerely, I don’t see a connection.
“So, you really don’t believe in Jesus or God. That is a logical extension of your stance.”
Now that is a patently illogical and inaccurate (and idiotic) take on what I’ve said here.
I think God might enjoy seeing how we react to generous surprises offered up by His Creation. I can also clearly see that God expects us to use our intellect and our hands. The Greater Creation provides a greater opportunity for that very thing.
“How do you couple the emergence of other intelligent life forms at Earth with the Second Coming of Christ? Honestly and sincerely, I don’t see a connection.”
I don’t. There is no connection. So where did you ‘get’ that from? (I’m almost afraid to ask)
With all due respect here...I may have to end this somewhat, up to now, enjoyable discussion. It’s going nowhere.
What started out as a fun discussion on the belief or disbelief in the existence of ETs is morphing into a philosophical quagmire.
“I think God might enjoy seeing how we react to generous surprises offered up by His Creation. I can also clearly see that God expects us to use our intellect and our hands. The Greater Creation provides a greater opportunity for that very thing.”
I can’t argue with that. God knows us all (His creation), inside and out, from the beginning to the end.
There are many very reliable and credible people who have witnessed ETs and ET artifacts in your lifetime, and then spoke of them. It strikes me as unusual that they cannot be believed while members of a church that have sinned greatly can be believed.
The "chain of custody" within the Catholic Church, and then the Protestant Churches scare the hell out of me. I have had very personal and harsh brushes with churchmen, keepers of the Faith. That corruption runs deep, and spans a significant period of time.
On top of that, I have had to manage my Faith even though I know that this ET contact stuff is real. Not well understood, but real. That Faith management has had to be done IN SPITE of the clergy. I think I've done well, all things considered.
This isn’t a quagmire. It is useful and a bit fun.
“he Bible really isn’t clear at all. You are taking the stance that “if it isn’t in the Bible, it isn’t so”.”
No, I have never said that. Either you are misinterpreting what I’ve said, or you have decided to set up a strawman and argue with that, in which case there’s no need for me to stick around any longer.
That means that the ET issue is strictly secular, except for the peculiar spiritual components of it that are quite unrelated to demons and the like.
“Try clarifying you stance rather than taking your toys and going home.”
My stance on the issue, what I might personally believe, is informed by what the Bible says, but not limited to what the Bible says. But you made a statement about what the Bible says and I was responding to that. Maybe that’s why it may seem I don’t want to go beyond what the Bible says. Not that I think the Bible contains each and every detail of truth on any particular matter, only that I don’t want to confuse what the Bible says with my personal opinions on the subject.
“My contention is that the Bible was never intended to clarify this issue and that the issue is not germane to Salvation through Faith in Christ.”
Sure, it’s not directly germane to it. However, many people have considered the consequences that life on other planets would have for the question of salvation, including several good sci fi writers who explored the topic. Basically, it would create a conundrum. You can’t be saved without faith in Christ, so if there is life on other planets, would that life be subject to temptation, and fall? And would it then require salvation, and thus require Christ? Does Jesus have to be born and die and be resurrected on every planet that has life? That would contradict the idea that he died once and for all to save everyone. Or you might think “well he could just visit the other planets and tell them the Gospel too”. But that would contradict the idea that Jesus’ sacrifice could atone for our sins because he was of the line of Adam and the Law says only an heir can pay the debt of his ancestor.
Or perhaps the life on other planets never fell, but then you have to ask why? Did they not have free will? Or is it only because Satan was cast down to Earth in particular, so only we were subject to temptation? Then this brings up an issue with original sin. As long as humans are the only fallen creatures, we can assume we would have fell whether God allowed us to be tempted or not, and thus God is blameless in the matter. But if we might not have fell had God not chosen to toss Old Scratch into our backyard, then that’s another matter entirely. Then we must ask if we are really to blame and all worthy of death because God picked our planet out of all the trillions out there?
So while the Bible might not go into all these matters, once you accept that life on other planets is possible, you eventually have to deal with a whole host of issues that come with that idea that are very much entwined with the issue of salvation.
And besides, why bother with all those questions when we don’t have a shred of actual evidence any other intelligent life exists? Unless you accept the proposition that life arises from random forces on its own from dead matter, which is already a contradiction of the Bible, as well as common sense, then there’s no reason to think life necessarily would exist. That is, unless you are really set on the notion that God might have made that life, then not bothered to tell us, and in fact left at least a few verses in Genesis that seem to contradict the idea. For what reason? It just seems unnecessary silliness to me.
Ah, but there IS evidence of ET (or something) visiting Earth in tangible ships.
“This isn’t a quagmire. It is useful and a bit fun.”
Ok. I’ll drink to that...[clink].
“No, I have never said that. Either you are misinterpreting what I’ve said, or you have decided to set up a strawman and argue with that, in which case there’s no need for me to stick around any longer.”
I think he’s probably talking about something I said re: the Bible and confusing my post with yours maybe. It’s no big deal, anyway. Just kicking stuff around.
I can't wrap my head around your notion of expecting God to tell us everything at the outset, when that is so very clearly not the case.
“there IS evidence of ET (or something) visiting Earth in tangible ships”
Tangible means we can touch them. Where can I go and touch those ships?
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