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WESTERN DELUSIONS ABOUT RUSSIA AND UKRAINE ARE GENUINE
Sonar 21 ^ | 5/21/23 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 05/21/2023 4:02:13 PM PDT by Kazan

If you think that the policy towards Russia, which is shaped by the perceptions and beliefs of the Washington status quo, is not seriously screwed up, think again and watch Charles Kupchan, a former Clinton and Obama National Security official and current shill for the Atlantic Council, take you on a bizarre journey worthy of Alice in Wonderland. Kupchan’s views are not unique to him. What he is saying about Russia and Ukraine is mainstream Neo-Con and reflects the views of Biden’s key national security aides and the leaders of the U.S. Senate and House. No amount of facts will change his mind. He is locked in, as is the Biden Administration, in portraying Russia as a rapacious, authoritarian state hell-bent on conquering the world.

If there is anyone in a leadership role in Russia or China who still believes that there is a path of negotiation with the United States, Kupchan’s delusional diatribes unleashed in this video should awake them to the futility of such an effort. There is no room for genuine negotiation with Moscow. The Washington establishment will not be satisfied until Putin is dead and Russia is carved up like a Thanksgiving Turkey — the bird not the country.

Here is the first segment of Kupchan’s interview on RT’s program, Going Underground. You can watch the entire program here:

Charles Kupchan Part I

The fall of Bakhmut today to the Russians, just like the capture of Mariupol one year ago to the day, is being portrayed in the West as a nothing-burger. It is a Leslie Nielsen (portraying Detective Frank Drebin) moment:

The Naked Gun - "Nothing to see here!" (1080p)

But Ukraine paid a heavy price in blood in trying to hold onto that supposedly “worthless” city. Simplicius provides the details of the Ukrainian military obituary:

Why is Bakhmut called a Meat Grinder?
Who was decimated in Bakhmut:
Brigades:
45th Brigade
43rd Brigade
26th Brigade
28th Brigade
62nd Brigade
63rd Brigade
53rd Brigade
60th Brigade
24th Brigade
57th Brigade
30th Brigade
Advance Rubizh Brigade
Advance Azov Brigade
Advance Uragan Brigade
Advance Spartan Brigade
109th Brigade
116th Brigade
119th Brigade
241st Brigade
93rd Brigade
77th Brigade
46th Brigade
4th Brigade
17th Brigade
61st Brigade of Jaegers

Special Forces and Spetsnaz Regiments:
5th Assault Regiment 8th Regiment of Special Forces

Kraken Battalions:
122nd Battalion
68th Battalion
49th Rifle Battalion
15th Mountain Assault Battalion
Omega
Border Guard Donetsk

8th Regiment of the UDAR UAVs:
Shershen
Adam
Karlsen
Terra
Skala
Madyar
Khartia
Kep
Seneka

WASP Legions:
Dudaev Battalion
Georgian Legion
Mansur Battalion
Shamil Battalion
Gonor
Normandy Legion

Most of these battalions have suffered more than 70% casualties just against PMC Wagner.

The twenty five brigades listed above represents a force of atleast 50,000 men (assuming only 2000 men in a reduced brigade) and as many as 125,000. Simplicius also lists at least 9 battalions and 5 regiments — that is 4500 and 5000 additional troops respectively. Do the math. If Ukraine deployed 134,500 troops to the battle for Bakhmut, 70% casualties means that Ukraine suffered as many as 94,150 killed and wounded.

The twenty five brigades listed above represents a force of at least 50,000 men (assuming only 2000 men in a reduced brigade) and as many as 125,000. Simplicius also lists at least 9 battalions and 5 regiments — that is 4500 and 5000 additional troops respectively. Do the math. If Ukraine deployed 134,500 troops to the battle for Bakhmut, 70% casualties means that Ukraine suffered as many as 94,150 killed and wounded.

Kupchan, in my view, is a precise barometer of the philosophical and political ideology directing U.S. policy towards Russia and Ukraine. These people — e.g., Sullivan, Blinken, Nuland and Kupchan — really believe that Russia is an impoverished, ravaged nation barely hanging on and nothing yet has shaken them of that belief. They are convinced that if Ukraine can pull off a military miracle that Russia will collapse. This mindset is not only crazy, it is dangerous. It grossly underestimates Russia’s capability and determination to achieve its stated goals of demilitarizing and de-nazifying Ukraine and rests heavily on the false assumption that Russia does not have the economic power to sustain its military effort.

I do recommend you read the latest from Simplicius the Thinker. It is behind a pay wall. He offers a fascinating, detailed analysis of the next steps in the war. I believe that Simplicius is not the sole author of the excellent pieces posted at his Substack. I believe he is a conduit for providing the view of Russian military intelligence about the state of play in the war Russia is waging in Ukraine. He is getting help from knowledgeable folks on the Russian side. Please do not misinterpret what I am trying to convey — I am not accusing Simplicius of being a Russian stooge. Far from it. I think he represents a rather sophisticated information operation designed to try to communicate with the West the reality of what Ukraine faces in this war.

Simplicius is a clever vehicle for getting information to the public that is not covered with the taint of a Russian Ministry of Defense briefing. I am not suggesting that the Russian MOD is lying. Just pointing out the the establishment West routinely rejects anything the MOD provides. Simplicius, as a Substac author, is not an immediate lightning rod and his well reasoned pieces appear to be having the intended effect of educating people in the West about what is really going on and what may happen. I realize that some, like Charles Kupchan, immediately reject what Simplicius is presenting by labeling it as “Russian propaganda.” Simplicius, in my view, is not a propagandist or a spin artist.

Let me take one telling example from his latest work. He comments on the reported ambush of two Russian combat aircraft and two helicopters last week. The initial public reaction credited Ukraine with a daring operation that caught the Russians with their pants down. But Simplicius now presents a credible case that the Russians themselves shot down these aircraft.

Some might argue, they recently blasted an entire Russian ‘special air group’ near Bryansk. But to be honest, the more time goes by, the more I’m personally leaning towards the explanation that that air group was destroyed by friendly fire. The prominent Russian ‘FighterBomber’ channel seems to agree, stating that Russian IFF (Identify Friend Foe) systems have known problems, and it would explain a lot of very untenable anomalies of the shoot down; like why the EW choppers did not appear to be engaging the threat at all with their automated systems which disperse flares/chaff and why they wouldn’t have been able to jam the system in question to begin with, as is their role. Keep in mind, Ukraine itself denied that they were responsible for this shoot down, officially, though that’s not necessarily saying much.,/I>

It’s simply too improbable, and they have no real systems that can reach that far into Russian space, have never done it before or since. So personally, my senses tell me that was a catastrophic case of blue on blue. Wouldn’t be the first or last time—most of the shoot downs of Russian Su-34s over Donetsk last year were confirmed to have been by friendly fire. And most shoot downs in general throughout history are friendly fire, which includes the majority of NATO/U.S. shoot downs in the various conflicts like Desert Storm, etc. It’s a simple reality of air operations.

Whether Simplicius is producing all of these excellent pieces on his own or is getting help from Russian military intelligence is irrelevant because the quality of what is written stands on its own and is worth reading, which means you ought to consider subscribing to his Substack. Sadly, people like Charles Kupchan prefer to wallow in the filth of ignorance and blindly embrace suicidal policies that will do more to harm the United States than Russia.


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To: MeganC

“Russia’s delusions about being a superpower are now obvious to the rest of the world.”

Yup. Its Admiral Kuznetsov is testament to that.


21 posted on 05/21/2023 4:32:29 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

Curious, what weapons system fires nuclear subs at the enemy?


22 posted on 05/21/2023 4:32:43 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: ought-six

The Admiral Rustnetzov is the best sooperdooper carrier in the world! Our Soviet comrades here on FR all say so!


23 posted on 05/21/2023 4:34:17 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: blueunicorn6
The Democrats must have been doing some really awful stuff in Ukraine

Which Democrats? McCain? Lindsay Graham? Mitch McConnell? Romney?

The support for this insane policy is completely bipartisan, it's not Democrats vs Republicans, it's everyone in Washington vs. America.

24 posted on 05/21/2023 4:35:56 PM PDT by Jim Noble (It is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government)
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To: Kazan

Delusions??? Muskovy has been an existential threat to every neighboring country for centuries. They learned how from the Mongols.


25 posted on 05/21/2023 4:36:49 PM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan
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To: for-q-clinton

Order of battle pieced from OSINT is an art
One I’ve used rather successfully in a past career to complement all-source

But please…share with us your estimates of the strength of the battle forces and your sources


26 posted on 05/21/2023 4:39:56 PM PDT by silverleaf (It’s not propaganda just because you disagree with it. )
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To: Jim Noble

Biden is a Republican?


27 posted on 05/21/2023 4:41:06 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: Kazan

This guy notes some of that delusion by the West.

BAKHMUT HAS FALLEN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQGsfrtQE4A&ab_channel=HistoryLegends


28 posted on 05/21/2023 4:44:43 PM PDT by Tom Tetroxide
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To: silverleaf

“Let’s pull out the old Magic 8-Ball and ask it.”


29 posted on 05/21/2023 4:45:23 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: silverleaf

Same...I use open source material. Look at confirmed numbers from both sides. And look at the opposing estimates and look for the data to back it up. And so far it’s clear Russia lost a lot more. However they can afford to. The real question is did Ukraine kill enough to slow them down...and it doesn’t appear they did.


30 posted on 05/21/2023 4:45:51 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: MeganC

I wonder how far those subs can travel through the air......


31 posted on 05/21/2023 4:45:59 PM PDT by beethovenfan (The REAL Great Reset will be when Jesus returns. )
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To: caww

It will be denied by anyone who recognizes one sided propaganda when they read it.

Yeah, Russia is committed to its goal of “denazifying Ukraine”.

If you believe Russia went into Ukraine to save the world from Nazis - Ukraine led by the Jewish Zelensky - you are a delusional idiot.

And the article lists all the Ukrainian brigades that suffered in the battle. Doesn’t bother to list a single Russian unit.

Why do you spread this idiotic bs.

Goes on about how Russia captured Mariupol a year ago.
Doesn’t mention Ukraine taking Kherson.

We shall see.


32 posted on 05/21/2023 4:47:22 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Kazan

“The citizens of this country have had to rely on Putin and the Russians to show restraint”

You’re right. Russia has been holding a gun to our head for the last 70 years.

That is why we should not end this war until Russia ceases to exist.

Americans deserve to live free of a madman in Moscow being able to destroy the world at the press of a button.


33 posted on 05/21/2023 4:47:56 PM PDT by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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To: for-q-clinton

Russia is using mostly foreign mercenaries (and Pitin puppet state armies as part of these mercenary groups) to do the heaviest fighting.


34 posted on 05/21/2023 4:48:36 PM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinions)
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To: for-q-clinton

Ukraine didn’t just kill enough to slow Russia down. So far they DID slow Russia down.
Russia wanted to break out through Bachmut then to the West.
Maybe they will. But it’s taken them a year and it hasn’t happened yet.
We will see what the Ukraine offensive does in the next few weeks.
No idea but we’ll see.


35 posted on 05/21/2023 4:51:00 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Thunder90

True. Wagner was using prisoners indiscriminately to take land. Which is the Russian method of fighting. Two guys one gun.


36 posted on 05/21/2023 4:51:14 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: caww
This will certainly be denied by those who suffer from Russia-phobia which our media has been blasting for decades as well as Politicians.

Of course, it will be denied. Just like so many of their other lies.....
-Hunter Biden's laptop was a Russian hoax
-Trump colluded with Russia
-Moscow hookers peed on Trump's bed
-Only 9.65342 years left before global warming kills us all
-There was absolutely no fraud in the 2020 election
-Shut down the economy for only two weeks to flatten the curve
-Take the 100% safe and effective jab, and you WILL NOT get COVID
-January 6th insurrection
-We got all the people out of Afghanistan
-There is absolutely no bank crises
-Those biochemical weapons in Iraq are going to kill us all

And you expect anyone in their right mind to believe them when they tell us Ukraine is winning and Bakmut did not fall.

Okay, then.

37 posted on 05/21/2023 4:58:42 PM PDT by icclearly
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To: beethovenfan; MeganC
I wonder how far those subs can travel through the air......

Navy 101 for the both of you:

Ballistic Missile Submarines (SSBNs)
The Navy's ballistic missile submarines, often referred to as "boomers," serve as an undetectable launch platform for intercontinental missiles. They are designed specifically for stealth and the precise delivery of nuclear warheads.

https://www.csp.navy.mil/SUBPAC-Commands/Submarines/Ballistic-Missile-Submarines/

38 posted on 05/21/2023 5:06:00 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Williams

True. I should have said stop Russia not slow down. They want to stop them not just slow them down.


39 posted on 05/21/2023 5:20:40 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (Cancel Culture IS fascism...Let's start calling it that!)
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To: marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; TalBlack; ..

Ukraine ping

Speaking of delusions, Larry Johnson claimed the US would lose a head-to-head conventional war with Russia. Meanwhile, 15 months into this 3-day war, Russia is stalemated mostly along the lines it established in the first days of its surprise attack. With Ukraine, of all countries, which is using its own worn out Soviet-era gear and near scrap date Western gear and ammunition doled out in tiny quantities.

Note that during the Vietnam War, North Vietnam received 500 late model fighter jets and 2000 tanks, as a Russian government website acknowledges. And in that war, Vietnamese communists had an almost unbroken record of failure in terms of warding Uncle Sam off with respect to any real estate he wanted to take or hold. Whereas Ukraine has not only kept the Russians from advancing further, it has pushed the Russians back - from Kiev’s outskirts, Kharkov’s outskirts and Kherson.

https://www.rbth.com/history/332396-how-soviets-fought-against-americans


https://www.plenglish.com/news/2022/02/10/going-to-war-with-russia-may-be-suicide-for-u-s-larry-johnson/
[ February 10, 2022
CST17:31 (GMT) -0500

Published by: Pavel López Lazo

The Joe Biden Administration stands on the threshold of launching America into a war with Russia that we will lose. Most Americans have swallowed the propaganda that our military is the best in the world and head and shoulders above Russia and can easily handle Putin’s forces, according to a report signed by expert Larry Johnson.

Mr. Johnson also added ¨Yes, we have some remarkable capabilities and some very brave, capable men and women. But the risks of getting into combat with Russian forces who are fighting on their home turf are enormous.

Here is the truth. The United States has not fought a real Army and Air Force in the last 50 years. The Vietnam War was the last time we fought a genuine Army and we failed to win that contest.

In saying this I am not disparaging the grit and sacrifice of the soldiers, sailors, marines and aviators who fought and died in Vietnam. They were betrayed by military and political leaders who lied about the war and used those lies to rally a majority of Americans to support a hopeless military mission.

In the intervening fifty years America has sent its military forces to “fight” in Honduras, Grenada, Lebanon, Kuwait, Iraq, Panama, Somalia, Libya, Syria and Afghanistan.

We have not fought a single country with a legitimate air force or functioning army. And we have not prevailed in all of those contests. Anyone prepared to argue that we won victories in Somalia or Afghanistan? Give it your best shot.]


40 posted on 05/21/2023 5:22:08 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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