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Photos Place Russian Submarine Rescue Vehicle and Mini Sub Near Nord Stream Explosion; Sy Hersh Hardest Hit
Red State ^ | 04/30/2023 | Streiff

Posted on 04/30/2023 8:30:02 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

On September 26, 2022, Russian-owned Nord Stream 1 and 2 pipelines were hit by major explosions that put both pipelines out of operation. I use the term “operation,” advisedly because, due to the diplomacy surrounding Putin’s War in Ukraine, both pipelines had been shut down. It became quickly apparent that the cause of the explosions was sabotage. I covered the attacks on the pipelines in this story; Sanctions and US Opposition Couldn’t Stop Nord Stream and Russian Gas, but Sabotage Might Have Done the Job.

The obvious question was, who did it? Four suspects emerged: the United States, Ukraine, an undetermined party probably involving Poland, and Russia. But, as stated in Putin’s PR Machine Throws up Smoke as the Nord Stream Pipeline Explosion Investigation Begins, my personal view is that Russia was the most likely culprit.

  1. The pipelines were not producing income; they were costing money to operate.
  2. The war forced Nord Stream customers to find other sources, and it was unlikely that Nord Stream would operate again.
  3. It made it clear to Germany what the price was for helping Ukraine.
  4. It avoided breach of contract financial penalties that would hit Gazprom if Germany desired to re-open the pipeline, and Russia refused.
  5. The repair cost of the pipelines was insured.
  6. Breaching the pipelines at the deepest part means that the shortest area would be flooded, and the damage would be the cheapest to repair.

In my view, the bonus was that the explosions took place in Scandinavian fishing grounds, and the first explosion was in the vicinity of a new Norway-Poland pipeline which gave it a “nice pipeline you’ve got there, it’d be a shame if anything happened to it” flavor.

As the Danes investigated, word started to seep out of Washington that maybe Russia was not the culprit; see Story on Russia Blowing up Its Own Pipeline Begins to Shift.

In February, fabulist Seymour Hersh came out with a highly improbable story. He claimed to have evidence that the US blew up the pipeline. I posted on the story at the time, Seymour Hersh’s Claim That the US Blew up the Nord Stream Pipelines Is Some Weak Stuff, but Congress Must Investigate.

According to Hersh, US Navy divers working from a Norwegian vessel planted the charges. They were later detonated by signals from a sonobuoy dropped from a Norwegian Navy P-8 Poseidon maritime patrol plane.

Literally, nothing in Hersh’s article was plausible. Here are some examples.

During his introduction of Norway, Hersh makes a very strange remark about NATO General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg implying that he has worked directly with the US intelligence community since the Vietnam War. Jens Stoltenberg was born March 16th 1959. The US involvement in the Vietnam War ended April 30th 1975, meaning Jens had just turned 16 when Saigon fell to the PAVN troops.

Hersh states that one of Norway’s main motivations is financial, “The destruction of Nord Stream—if the Americans could pull it off—would allow Norway to sell vastly more of its own natural gas to Europe.)” Norwegian gas production has remain steady since the destruction of Nord Stream.

Hersh says the explosions were near each other. The two Nord Stream 2 explosions were about 3.5 miles apart, and the Nord Stream 1 blast was nearly 50 miles away.

Hersh says the explosions were in the shallowest part of the Baltic; they were in some of the deepest parts.

Hersh claims the explosives were put in place in June and not detonated until October.

Hersh says the divers used a Norwegian Alta-class minesweeper to conduct the mission; none of those vessels were used in the BALTOP22 naval exercise Hersh claims was a cover for the operation. Furthermore, the one Norwegian minesweeper in the exercise did not operate near the blast areas. This link takes you to a thorough debunking of the Norwegian minesweeper story.

Hersh claimed the divers used scuba gear with a Heliox mix. The depth of the explosions would require scuba divers to decompress by controlled ascent for at least one hour and up to three hours.

Hersh claims the explosives had to be camouflaged to blend in with the salinity of the seawater to keep Russian submarines from discovering the explosives; wtf?

The Norwegian Navy doesn’t operate the P-8 Poseidon aircraft Hersh claims helped detonate the explosives.

What makes the whole “US and Norway did it” story so implausible is that the only evidence of any motive is Joe Biden threatening to “shut down” the Nord Stream pipelines, and that had already happened before the explosions. Leave aside the bizarre corollary that Biden’s public pronouncements are Gospel, there is no reason why the US and Norway would choose waters claimed by Denmark, in a fishing ground, near Norway’s own pipeline for the strikes rather than someplace in international waters.

In early March, the New York Times got into the act claiming that a shadowy Ukrainian group was behind the explosion; see NEW: U.S. Officials Say Ukrainian Group Blew up Nordstream 2. This claim was investigated by the Germans as the 51-foot yacht allegedly used was owned by a German company.

Naval officials from several countries have debunked various parts of this story based on the difficulties in stocking the small sailing ship with the necessary diving equipment, the several tons of explosives needed for the attack (one of the Nord Stream 2 blasts used an estimated ton to ton-and-a-half of explosives), and the difficulty a boat this size would have in maintaining a dive station for the time it would take to carry out the mission. There is no evidence that German authorities are still pursuing this case.

Now another wrinkle has appeared. In the days immediately after the blast, several news outlets reported that there were Russian Navy vessels in the area of the Nord Stream explosions shortly before the blasts; see Seymour Hersh’s Claim That the US Blew up the Nord Stream Pipelines Is Some Weak Stuff, but Congress Must Investigate.

I stick by my original assessment that this was a Russian operation. Unlike the theory of planting explosives three months before the attack, Russian Navy diving support ships were tracked in the area of both explosions days before the event.

Now we have proof that not only were Russian Navy vessels in the area of the blasts four days before the explosions but that one of them was the submarine rescue vehicle SS-750.

Photos Place Russian Submarine Rescue Vehicle and Mini Sub Near Nord Stream Explosion; Sy Hersh Hardest Hit
CREDIT: Russian Ministry of Defense photo

Onboard, the SS-775 was a Project 1855 Priz-class deep-submergence rescue vehicle.


CREDIT: Russian Ministry of Defense photo

The SS-750 was not among the Russian Navy ships known to be in the area because it was traveling with its Automatic Identification System, roughly analogous to an aircraft transponder, turned off.

This information about the presence of the SS-750 came to light when the Danish Navy released, pursuant to a public records request (Danish source, if you are using either Chrome or Edge as browsers, a right click will get you a translation), 112 images taken by the Danish patrol boat P-524 Nymfen of Russian vessels in the area of the Nord Stream blasts in the days prior to the explosions. Those included the SS-750 with the DSRV on its deck.

The Russian special vessel SS-750 was near the Nord Stream pipes four days before the pipes were blown up on September 26 last year. The special vessel is designed to conduct operations under the sea and has an AS-26 Priz mini-submarine on board.

In a response to a public access document, the Defense Command confirms that 26 photos of the Russian vessel were taken from a Danish patrol boat that was in the area east of Bornholm on September 22, 2022.

“It’s incredibly interesting. The SS-750 is a special vessel designed precisely for underwater operations,” says Swedish researcher, Russian expert and intelligence expert Joakim von Braun.

Jacob Kaarsbo, a senior analyst at Think Tank Europe who previously worked for 15 years in the Danish Defence Intelligence Service, believes the information “sheds light on what happened in the area in the days before.”

“The SS-750 is the most interesting vessel to confirm, because we know that it has the capacity to carry out such an operation,” says Jacob Kaarsbo.

Information has previously revealed that the Defense Command is in possession of 112 images of Russian vessels in the area. But this is the first time the Armed Forces have confirmed that it is the specific Russian vessel SS-750 with the mini-submarine on board.

At the same time, the Defense Command refuses to give access to the images of the Russian special vessel, as the images are “of an intelligence nature” and “part of the intelligence work.”

A German outlet, T-Online, adds more information. On the same day SS-750 departed Kaliningrad, two other Russian Navy ships also left port.

The German outlet also pointed out that between 00:00 and 01:00 on the same day, two other Russian ships set sail from Kaliningrad: the rescue tugs “SB-123” and “Alexander Frolov” . T-Online noted the following about both ships: “Each of them has deck loading cranes that would be capable of lowering hundreds of kilograms of heavy explosive devices or mines into the water” . T-Online adds: “Although they initially turned off AIS, they sent position data once to the west in the afternoon, indicating a heading towards Bornholm and a speed of nine knots By then, the ships were only five hours away from the sites of the subsequent attack.”

The revelation that the Russians had three ships in the area that were tailormade for operating in 100 meters plus water depth and moving large weights…like 3,000 pounds of explosives…and also traveling with a DSRV offers a plausible and verifiable means and opportunity to go along with Russia’s existing motive. Against that, we have Hersh’s journalistic equivalent of an LSD flashback and the patently implausible New York Times story that was investigated by one of the best police forces in Europe.

This by no means closes the case on the Nord Stream explosions. However, it does provide a method of carrying out the attack that doesn’t require a lobotomy to believe it.



TOPICS: Conspiracy; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: gazprom; insidejob; nordstream; pipeline; putin; russia; seymourhersh; streiff; streifflol
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1 posted on 04/30/2023 8:30:02 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Doesn’t convince me.


2 posted on 04/30/2023 8:32:14 PM PDT by IDFbunny (Fat shaming works.)
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To: IDFbunny

Nope


3 posted on 04/30/2023 8:36:49 PM PDT by pghoilman (Earth First. We'll drill the rest of the galaxy later.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Funny how Hersh’s circumstantial evidence and inferences are bunk, yet this guy’s are solid gold truth...

But no one including this guy has convincingly explained just why Russia would destroy their own moneymaking infrastructure.


4 posted on 04/30/2023 8:42:01 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Its possible. Biden made dumbass public comments and the Russians decide its great plausible deniability to blame on dunce Biden and use this as leverage to get more people to side with them globally.

We’ve done false flags. Other nations have done false flags. Russia is hardly a truthful country, its still run by commies.

This whole thing sucks. There is no right side.


5 posted on 04/30/2023 8:44:48 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So Russian ships were in the ocean. RedState has always been a neo-con site and Erickson is a Chickenhawk RINO to the point Rush Limbaugh dropped him as a guest host.


6 posted on 04/30/2023 8:44:50 PM PDT by MTBobcat (The “rank-and-file” are as corrupted as their leadership.)
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To: Nervous Tick

In the article it says it wasn’t making money, which is a absurd premise.

What a load of sh*t, and I mean a load because that a lengthy, garbled hodge-podge of random European sources.


7 posted on 04/30/2023 8:46:57 PM PDT by MTBobcat (The “rank-and-file” are as corrupted as their leadership.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m no Putin apologist, but this is the dumbest propaganda I’ve ever read.


8 posted on 04/30/2023 8:47:21 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I believe the US blew the Nordstream pipeline. A YOUTUBE channel named “Monkey Werx” tracks flights and was able to trace a specific flight at the right time (US flight) and the details were precisely ‘right’, for example the flight bumped up in altitude right at the location one would expect after releasing the weight of a bomb/missile. So no, I don’t think it was Russia.


9 posted on 04/30/2023 8:48:06 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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These neocon warmongers reject logic, and “Occam’s Razor’ is an unknown concept to them.


10 posted on 04/30/2023 8:54:37 PM PDT by LegendHasIt
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To: Nervous Tick
Because Russia didn't own it and it wasn't making money and could, potentially, cost Russia a really, realky lot, if it was operational?

I have no opinion on who blew it up.

11 posted on 04/30/2023 8:55:06 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: MTBobcat
Neither pipeline was pumping gas.

To sell gas, it has to be pumped and delivered.

12 posted on 04/30/2023 8:57:38 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I object to #5 The repair cost of the pipelines was insured.

any insurance company will claim the damage was caused by an act of war, therefore no payout. Good luck with Russia proving it was not.

13 posted on 04/30/2023 8:59:27 PM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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To: Eagles6

>> I have no opinion on who blew it up.

I have an opinion, but that’s all it is; I can’t argue that I know.

Seymour Hersh doesn’t know, either.
And neither does this guy Streiff.


14 posted on 04/30/2023 9:01:46 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Truth is not hate speech.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Doesn’t matter what Hersh says— it’s what the Swedes didn’t say to cover for the Norwegians working with the US. Biden the poopy mouth said he’d do it— cause he can’t keep his fn’ mouth shut in any case. And the US blew it up... to “aid” the Germans in committing to the NATO path by coercion vs. the Russian monopoly on gas to Germany (the sanctions still are not working).

The old energy resellers are aligned as they were 40 years ago— back to the middlemen. Back to the all the “others” including Iran. Incredible— Jimmah Cahtah redux. What a genius JoeBama is as he is ripping our economy to shreds.


15 posted on 04/30/2023 9:05:54 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis )
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To: SeekAndFind

Here is an article from September of 2022.

“Why Putin would want to blow up Nord Stream 2, and the advantages it gives him
The Russian leader has a record of weaponising fuel supplies and believes his people can endure economic pain longer than western Europe”
28 September 2022
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/27/putins-nord-stream-2-sabotage-sends-warning-will-blow-pipes/


16 posted on 04/30/2023 9:06:17 PM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The version was idiotic since day one. This ship doesn’t change it.


17 posted on 04/30/2023 9:08:35 PM PDT by NorseViking
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To: Nervous Tick

I agree.


18 posted on 04/30/2023 9:13:39 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Germany Warns Russia Over Nord Stream ‘Consequences’
Moscow Times
By AFP
Dec. 18, 2021
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/12/18/germany-warns-russia-over-nord-stream-consequences-a75870

“German Economic Affairs Minister Robert Habeck warned in an interview published on Saturday of ‘severe consequences’ for the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline from Russia to Germany if Moscow attacked Ukraine...The new German government threatened to block the pipeline from operating if Russia invades Ukraine. ‘In the event of further escalation this gas pipeline could not come into service,’ Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock said.”


19 posted on 04/30/2023 9:23:45 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: SeekAndFind
Russian ‘Special Vessel’ Spotted Before Nord Stream Blasts – Danish Media
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/04/28/russian-special-vessel-spotted-before-nord-stream-blasts-danish-media-a80972

20 posted on 04/30/2023 9:24:51 PM PDT by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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