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Ukraine. What's it all about? How did we get where we are?
Flopping Aces ^ | 03-02-23 | DrJohn

Posted on 03/02/2023 12:29:08 PM PST by Starman417

Joe Biden has two masters- Volodymyr Zelenskyy and the Chinese Communist Party. Zelenskyy makes demands and Biden cannot accommodate them fast enough no matter the cost to this country. How we got here is pretty interesting and one needs to understand it.

For a moment let's go back in time. It begins with Obama - and his henchperson Victoria Nuland (Funny how pretty much everything wrong with the country goes back to Obama)

"The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made"

Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs “Toria” Nuland was the “mastermind” behind the Feb. 22, 2014 “regime change” in Ukraine, plotting the overthrow of the democratically elected government of President Viktor Yanukovych while convincing the ever-gullible US mainstream media that the coup wasn’t really a coup but a victory for “democracy.”

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To sell this latest neocon-driven “regime change” to the American people, the ugliness of the coup-makers had to be systematically airbrushed, particularly the key role of neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists from the Right Sektor. For the US-organized propaganda campaign to work, the coup-makers had to wear white hats, not brown shirts.

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It wasn’t until July 7 that the Times admitted the importance of the neo-Nazis and other ultra-nationalists in waging war against ethnic Russian rebels in the east. The Times also reported that these far-right forces had been joined by Islamic militants. Some of those jihadists have been called “brothers” of the hyper-brutal Islamic State. Though the Times sought to spin this remarkable military alliance – neo-Nazi militias and Islamic jihadists – as a positive, the reality had to be jarring for readers who had bought into the Western propaganda about noble “pro-democracy” forces resisting evil “Russian aggression.”

Perhaps the Times sensed that it could no longer keep the lid on the troubling truth in Ukraine. For weeks, the Right Sektor militias and the neo-Nazi Azov battalion have been warning the civilian government in Kiev that they might turn on it and create a new order more to their liking.

Please read the whole thing.

How NATO's expansion helped drive Putin to invade Ukraine

From the beginning, Russia strongly objected to NATO's borders creeping closer to its territory. In 1997, Russian President Boris Yeltsin tried to secure a guarantee from President Bill Clinton that NATO would not add any former Soviet republics. Clinton refused.

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The U.S. hoped that its financial support, along with diplomatic overtures from NATO, could be enough to counterbalance Russia's displeasure over expansion — but ultimately, that didn't work, Goldgeier said.

Over the course of the 1990s and early 2000s, NATO expanded three times: first to add the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland; then seven more countries even farther east, including the former Soviet republics of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania; and finally with Albania and Croatia in 2009.

"Obviously, the more it did to stabilize the situation in central and Eastern Europe and bring them into the West, the more it antagonized the Russians," he said.

Putin sees the encroachment of NATO into his backyard as an existential threat. He claims that NATO promised not to expand toward Russia:
"You promised us in the 1990s that [NATO] would not move an inch to the East. You cheated us shamelessly," Putin said at a news conference in December.
Not really, but it is a murky topic.
"The Russians were always concerned about how far NATO enlargement was going to go. It's one thing for Poland to come in, or the Czech Republic to come in. That's not such a big deal. But there was always a concern about Ukraine," Goldgeier said.
Zelenskyy last year offered a compromise

President Volodymyr Zelensky said he is no longer pressing for NATO membership for Ukraine, a delicate issue that was one of Russia's stated reasons for invading its pro-Western neighbor. In another apparent nod aimed at placating Moscow, Zelensky said he is open to "compromise" on the status of two breakaway pro-Russian territories that President Vladimir Putin recognized as independent just before unleashing the invasion on February 24

In February of 2014 then-President Yanukovych was ousted (Nuland). Two months later the noted energy expert Hunter Biden was appointed to the Board of Burisma.

The overlap between the vice president and his son raised concerns over a potential conflict of interest. The Obama White House said there was no issue with Hunter Biden’s work, and that no conflict of interest existed.
Uh huh
While in Ukraine, for example, Hunter sat on the board of a natural gas company called Burisma where he was paid an astonishing $11 million from 2014-18 to provide a service he was not qualified to provide.
Then in 2016 Biden had the prosecutor looking into Hunter Biden's presence fired.

Since he took office Zelenskyy has seized full control of the Ukraine media. The other day he threw up a smoke screen as a defense for unlimited support:

(Excerpt) Read more at floppingaces.net...


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: bidenskoolaidaddicts; bidensrinolemmings; noisylemmings4biden; notourwar; russia; ukraine; zelviswrestleshitler
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1 posted on 03/02/2023 12:29:08 PM PST by Starman417
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Oh please! Russia’s Putin ordered the invasion. The people fight for their land, their families and their freedom from the barbaric Russians.

The corrupt, hated, Little Soviet government would surrender in a heart beat, except they know they would be hung immediately thereafter - if they were very lucky.


2 posted on 03/02/2023 12:37:38 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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“Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs “Toria” Nuland was the “mastermind” behind the Feb. 22, 2014 “regime change” in Ukraine”

Is this the most embarrassing thing to have ever happened to Russia?

Thousands of KGB agents in Ukraine, but one fat American lady with cookies manages to outmaneuver all of them? Does anyone really believe that?


3 posted on 03/02/2023 12:38:26 PM PST by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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good info,thanks
Biden/Z won’t stop til last US dollar is spent or last uke is dead..Another bad day for Z.Bakhmut will be liberated soon.
todays update from neutral source DPA.
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Ukraine MUTINY in Bakhmut; Collapse imminent as Wagner resumes offensive!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPGDqVnF1pk


4 posted on 03/02/2023 12:45:21 PM PST by CarolinaReaganFan
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5 posted on 03/02/2023 12:48:23 PM PST by PGR88
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Ukraine. What's it all about?

The Hokey Pokey.

6 posted on 03/02/2023 12:49:25 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Ukraine. What's it all about? How did we get where we are?


7 posted on 03/02/2023 12:52:35 PM PST by newfreep ("There is no race problem...just a problem race")
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8 posted on 03/02/2023 12:55:27 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Right Sektor, Azov, were just some of the private armies financed by Ukrainian Oligarchs. Prior to the war they assisted the Oligarchs in stealing the natural resources. Seems that entire country is nothing but a bunch of corrupt crooks.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUS60927080220150505


9 posted on 03/02/2023 12:58:01 PM PST by jimwatx
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Joe Biden has two masters- Volodymyr Zelenskyy and the Chinese Communist Party.


Maybe the dumbest thing I’ve ever read here. Brandon can’t wait to dump Ukraine and get back to partnering with Putin on nuking up Iran. That will render moot President Trump’s excellent Middle East polices.


10 posted on 03/02/2023 12:58:42 PM PST by lodi90
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We fomented a coup, installed a government illegal that was hostile to both Russia and the ethnic Russian population and that set off a civil war. We then trained and funded Ukrainian nationalists and neo-Nazis and encouraged them to persecute and kill ethnic Russians. We encouraged Ukraine to try to cutoff Russian access the Black Sea at Crimea despite the fact Russia has had a naval base there since 1783.

In addition to arming and funding Ukraine, we teased NATO membership for it and running biolabs with deadly pathogens in them. If China or Russia were doing that in Mexico, we sure as hell wouldn't tolerate nor should we.

You and your ilk lie like you breath. You have as closer to WWIII and nuclear war than we were during the Cold War.

Neocons like you can piss off and burn in hell.

11 posted on 03/02/2023 1:06:50 PM PST by Kazan
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“How did we get where we are?”
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Three words: THE UKRAINE PROJECT!


12 posted on 03/02/2023 1:16:15 PM PST by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAXI)
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“If China or Russia were doing that in Mexico, we sure as hell wouldn’t tolerate nor should we.”

I agree with most of your post. Maybe you are thinking that Truman or Eisenhower is still president. Of course we shouldn’t tolerate it but we would. This government, including the military absolutely would tolerate it. The government is fine with the Chinese buying up land in Texas and Nebraska.


13 posted on 03/02/2023 1:25:45 PM PST by KingLudd
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Stalemate succing up American money.


14 posted on 03/02/2023 2:08:26 PM PST by cowboyusa (There is no co- existence with Pinks and Reds)
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Welcome Newbie Orc troll!! The head Orc says:

16 posted on 03/02/2023 2:30:09 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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What’s it all about?
Ukraine is a money laundering mecca

How did we get where we are?
Joe Biden


18 posted on 03/02/2023 2:50:50 PM PST by Vaduz (LAWYERS )
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Huh. So, the original coup by the Russians to seize control of Ukraine was stopped by a coup by - us? You must be a Russian: only a Russian :

1. Believes that the CIA could ever pull anything like that off.

2. Thinks that any country that fights back against a Russian-backed insurgency deserves a full military invasion (no, it's not a "special operation")

3. And anybody who spells "breathe" without the "e" is likely not a native English-speaker (or at least didn't graduate from 5th grade).

It's an illegal, brutal, primitive territory-grabbing, civilian-slaughtering, aggressive invasion - period.

19 posted on 03/02/2023 2:55:31 PM PST by Chainmail (Harrassment, to be effective, must be continuous.)
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