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Russia and the Curse of Geography
The Atlantic ^ | OCTOBER 31, 2015 | Tim Marshall

Posted on 02/23/2023 6:37:05 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

Vladimir Putin says he is a religious man, a great supporter of the Russian Orthodox Church. If so, he may well go to bed each night, say his prayers, and ask God: “Why didn’t you put mountains in eastern Ukraine?”

If God had built mountains in eastern Ukraine, then the great expanse of flatland that is the European Plain would not have been such inviting territory for the invaders who have attacked Russia from there repeatedly through history. As things stand, Putin, like Russian leaders before him, likely feels he has no choice but to at least try to control the flatlands to Russia’s west. So it is with landscapes around the world—their physical features imprison political leaders, constraining their choices and room for maneuver. These rules of geography are especially clear in Russia, where power is hard to defend, and where for centuries leaders have compensated by pushing outward.

Western leaders seem to have difficulty deciphering Putin’s motives, especially when it comes to his actions in Ukraine and Syria; Russia’s current leader has been described in terms that evoke Winston Churchill’s famous 1939 observation that Russia “is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside of an enigma.”

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1 posted on 02/23/2023 6:37:05 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

So it explains on why the Russians are paranoid and expansionist by nature.

2 posted on 02/23/2023 6:44:36 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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3 posted on 02/23/2023 6:47:08 PM PST by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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Well it’s not just Russians. Poles and Hungarians have the same problem. Whether the Magyars, the Caucasians, the Mongols, the Muslims, Napleonic France, or the Germans all of that part of the world is ripe for conquest.

You can’t blame them. It’s history.

The modern British Empire, headed by the United States, consists of land either surrounded by water or by inhospitable terrain—United States, Australia, Britain, Canada, New Zealand. Just a different culture we are, primarily relying on sea power.


4 posted on 02/23/2023 6:53:29 PM PST by packagingguy
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To: MinorityRepublican

The Black Sea isn’t a viable warm water port because there is exactly one very narrow outlet.


5 posted on 02/23/2023 6:57:09 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Blacks have placed stronger chains on themselves than the slave masters of old ever forged.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

It’s just real estate.

Location, Location, Location.


6 posted on 02/23/2023 6:58:31 PM PST by Round Earther
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The Black Sea isn’t a viable warm water port because there is exactly one very narrow outlet.

That's why the Russians are building their naval base in Syria.

7 posted on 02/23/2023 7:00:32 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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Wouldn’t it have been nice for the Atlantic to bring all this up before the US State Department and CIA ran a color revolution in Ukraine...then the US and then Brazil...

We currently have a bunch of illegitimate psychopaths running the US and our foreign policy.


8 posted on 02/23/2023 7:01:08 PM PST by WinstonSmith1984
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The fundamental cause of this war is that Russia is trying to control 10% of the world’s land with 2% of the world’s population.

That is not sustainable. Putin understands this. Annexing Ukraine and Belarus and adding 55 million people to Russia would correct that balance.

The only other alternative is Russia getting much smaller.


9 posted on 02/23/2023 7:13:42 PM PST by Renfrew (Muscovia delenda est)
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To: packagingguy
Hungarians have the same problem

There is some advantage to Hungary on being west of the Carpathian mountains.

10 posted on 02/23/2023 7:15:52 PM PST by AndyJackson (.)
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To: marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; TalBlack; ..

Ukraine ping

Minority Republican: [So it explains on why the Russians are paranoid and expansionist by nature. ]


It’s the kind of servile and appeasement-oriented hooey you’d expect from the left-wing Atlantic. Just because it’s flat doesn’t mean it’s easy to invade. Russia’s large expanses mean it’s very hard to invade. Germany and France had big problems invading Russia because of that expanse. The Russians retreat, do scorched earth, and the invaders run out of supplies pretty quickly. In the reverse direction, when Russia invaded, it was pretty easy, because the distances were short.

Russia successfully overran any number of nations on its borders because of the advantages afforded by its massive expanse. When Russia ran into problems, it would retreat to get breathing room. When its adversaries ran into problems, they became Russian provinces - they simply had no room to retreat. There’s a reason Russian is 4x the size of the EU *combined*. Germany retreats from an area the size of Ukraine, and it’s deep in middle of France. Russia could retreat from an area 20x the size of Ukraine and still be in Russia.


11 posted on 02/23/2023 7:17:33 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: Zhang Fei
Russia could retreat from an area 20x the size of Ukraine and still be in Russia.

Yes. But most of the population is in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Located near their historical enemies in Europe. 27 million dead in WWII.

12 posted on 02/23/2023 7:38:01 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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Minority Republican: [Yes. But most of the population is in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Located near their historical enemies in Europe. 27 million dead in WWII.]


If this was such a big concern, they could build new cities elsewhere. That they haven’t is proof positive it’s a fake rather than real concern. After Kazakhstan engaged in contentious border talks with China, it moved its capital almost 800 miles further away from the Chinese border, from Almaty to Astana.

Russia claims to have originated from the Kievan Rus, whose capital was Kiev. Why wasn’t the Russian capital located at Kiev? Its vulnerability to attack might have been a factor.

Changing capitals is obviously not something Russians haven’t done before. St. Petersburg was Russia’s capital during the late Romanov era. Moscow took over after the Bolsheviks won.

During the Cold War, West Germany moved its capital from Berlin to a small town close to the Belgian border named Bonn. It had nothing to do with Bonn’s bucolic charms. In recognition of a potential threat from the east (a nation with a capital R in its name), Bonn still houses close to half of the German federal government’s officialdom.


13 posted on 02/23/2023 8:14:31 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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Putin knows that the U.S. and allies do not want to invade Russia.

Like the communists in China, he and his fascist partners are afraid that more Russians will want western freedoms. He also wants to take more arable land, resources and people from other nations for Russian greatness, as he and his radical countrymen see it. They dream of a Russian world that spans the earth. They see freedom as chaos and disorder that would interfere with his authoritarian control.

Putin must also know, though, deep down inside, the one circumstance that would cause other nations to swiftly invade, occupy and change his country: an attempt by him to perpetrate nuclear weapons attacks against other countries.


14 posted on 02/23/2023 10:02:33 PM PST by familyop ("For they that sleep with dogs, shall rise with fleas" (John Webster, "The White Devil" 1612).)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Lots of countries have this, and aren’t expansion. Well, not anymore.

Also russia had borders like the Volga etc, but it expanded before that and then lost the natural borders


15 posted on 02/24/2023 11:07:28 AM PST by Cronos
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Moscow is hardly near their enemies

Paris a d London are far closer to each other


16 posted on 02/24/2023 11:10:09 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos
Paris and London are far closer to each other

The English Channel is between them. There's nothing to stop an army from sacking Moscow and St. Petersburg.

17 posted on 02/24/2023 1:32:32 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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