Posted on 02/21/2023 4:20:44 PM PST by Its All Over Except ...
Mostly what we hear from the mainstream corporate media about the Ukraine War is that Russia simply must be defeated, even if it means sacrificing the lives of every last man, woman and child in Ukraine. But few of the pundits, politicians and think tankers promoting this program have much of an idea about whether this outcome is remotely possible.
Guest host Aaron Maté and Americans’ Comedian Kurt Metzger speak with retired U.S. Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor about the collective delusion among Western nations that Ukraine can defeat Russia on the battlefield.
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Just to address one point -
You assume here that the Eastern Europeans were somehow fooled or pressured into NATO. This is most certainly false. Poland wanted into NATO from the beginning, with almost universal popular support.
This is also a very patronizing argument, assuming that the Eastern Euros lack brains, or don’t know their own minds, or are incapable of understanding their situation.
They honestly think the Russians are dangerous. Deal with that.
I’ve definitely been getting vibes of desperation and more lying than usual on the part of the Ukraine backers. I think this might end quickly and Biden will be the biggest loser.
NATO won’t. It would simply reinforce the Euros insistence on the alliance.
Your problem is that you refuse to put yourselves in others shoes. A very Russian failing BTW. It’s part of that Russian obsessive self-regard.
Calm down Williams. It is not like you are in the Ukraine. I think that this thing is about over for the Ukraine. I’m only wondering how the Biden Regime is going to try to spin this
The Soviet union is no more, it is gone, it is all tits up. The 50's called and it wants its foreign policy back.
"It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! This is a late country! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! It's rung down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. This is an ex-country!”
I’m very calm.
What’s the point of arguing with people who don’t know anything?
Case in point. Do you think it’s “all over for Ukraine” because you listen to D MacGregor, and that’s all you’ve heard for the past year?
Every day is Groundhog Day for propagandists.
It will be interesting if a year from now you’re still repeating “it’s over for Ukraine” and “WW3!”.
My guess is Ukraine will survive, so long as most people don’t follow these propagandists.
“DORE said On Tucker and I quote: “If there is a Marine anywhere in this world, he is there to steal that country’s resources”.”
I think we’re now getting to the rut of your problem. If there is a Marine anywhere in the world that means someone SENT HIM THERE, and that’s the issue. Otherwise he’d still be in LaJune. Dore’s problem is with the person who SENT HIM THERE.
For others, note the similarity here in the way that Trump got accused of saying that “All Mexicans are Rapists”, when he never said that - he said that their GOVERNMENTS were sending them here, and that SOME are indeed Rapists. And I have to admit, it is a clever way to attack a person.
Ref your “I’ve definitely been getting vibes of desperation and more lying than usual on the part of the Ukraine backers.”
I have been thinking the same. Desperate people often do foolish and dangerous things. They have been dancing on the edges of foolishly dangerous lately. Let’s hope they don’t go over the edge.
There is a new one out there taking videos what appears from the Russian side now.
Its Timur something or other...from SE Asia.
Its videos of the actual killing at ground level.
Should excite the war whores to no end on here.
Could be, might be, ...
All these various reports and opinions are just that.
I’ll believe it when or if it happens.
Some Freepers are acting like it’s Schiavo again
“Why do they get triggered, become overly emotional, and lash out?”
Put yourself in their shoes - they go to the top colleges and get degrees in Foreign Service, History of Warfare, Engaged Diplomacy, etc. and then we, the normal people, the pro-American side, HAVE THE NERVE to question them.
We are told to TOTALLY IGNORE their track record, and instead to TRUST THEM, because they’ll get it right this time, they promise! (come to think of it, that’s what the US Communists used to say: “Yeah, the Soviets got Socialism wrong, but we won’t, we promise!”)
They view us as SCUM, but still having the right to vote - and that INFURIATES them, as you can see by their postings here.
(That should have ended in a ?)
MacGregor on March 4th of last year, predicting the Russians had been 'too gentle' the first five days, but it would be over in another 10 days.
Why does anyone believe this guy after months and months of demonstrably wrong takes like this?
You started off with Ad Hominem, not substance, don’t prove you are in context concerning Dore, and you’re abusive, so shut up now until you come back doing otherwise and actually prove you know a thing about neocons, neoliberals, their policies, etc. Bye
@Williams
Quote mining. Pathetic. Lacks sentences before and after to derive context.
Try your games elsewhere.
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