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The FAA has very quietly tacitly admitted that the EKGs of pilots are no longer normal. We should be concerned. Very concerned.
https://stevekirsch.substack.com ^ | 01.17.2023 | Steve Kirsch

Posted on 01/17/2023 4:29:57 PM PST by rxsid

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To: rxsid

I have biannual EKG’s and yearly echoes. No change in my readings. I was vaccinated twice and had last booster in 2001.


81 posted on 01/18/2023 6:18:08 AM PST by mware
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To: ConjunctionJunction

Nope. All our people check out just fine.


82 posted on 01/18/2023 6:42:56 AM PST by SkyDancer (Hold on tight to your dream)
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To: DugwayDuke
I notice you haven't addressed what the cardiologist Thomas Levy said, nor what the FAA did. Why?

G. Gordon Liddy was a Watergate co-conspirator who had a popular talk-radio show. Was every guest he had on discredited solely because they were talking to Liddy?

You'd be better off debating the issue of pilot testing rather than the forum from which that the information was relayed.

-PJ

83 posted on 01/18/2023 7:49:10 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Political Junkie Too

Political Junkie Too wrote: “I notice you haven’t addressed what the cardiologist Thomas Levy said, nor what the FAA did. Why?”

Steve Kirsch is a rabid anti-vaxxer. You should be very careful of what he says. Just like the two technical boards of directors that found his comments on vaccines to be sufficient to break their ties with him.


84 posted on 01/18/2023 8:38:48 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: DugwayDuke
Truth is always a defense against charges of slander.

You should probably be more careful even if you feel safe in the flock of sheep that you hang out in. Fortunately for you, in this case you are attacking a Billionaire who likely has no desire to waste his time or effort on you.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4124154/posts

85 posted on 01/18/2023 8:47:11 AM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: Political Junkie Too; DugwayDuke
DugawayDuke said, “Steve Kirsch is a rabid anti-vaxxer.”

All of the crap that DugawayDuke spews out daily was discussed in the video interview with Steve Kirsch that has been linked to here:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/4124154/posts

DugawayDuke runs with the heard of sheep; he is like my cousins who are both college professors. They made their athletic 13 year old son who had never had any medical problems get vaccinated. Shortly afterwards he collapsed at school while on the playing field. He was unconscious, CPR was started and he somehow survived. He had a massive stroke; he will never be the same. My uncle asked his son, my cousin if he thought that it was possible that the vaccination had anything to do with this tragedy. The two college professors said that this was an extremely rare event and that the vaccines could not have had anything to do with it.

I am sure that you agree don't you Dugaway?

86 posted on 01/18/2023 9:07:07 AM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: fireman15

ireman15 wrote: “You should probably be more careful even if you feel safe in the flock of sheep that you hang out in. Fortunately for you, in this case you are attacking a Billionaire who likely has no desire to waste his time or effort on you.”

Exactly what have I posted about Kirsch that isn’t true?


87 posted on 01/18/2023 9:16:31 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: DugwayDuke
You should be very careful of what he says.

So it is your contention that the FAA did not change their medical protocols to loosen EKG thresholds?

-PJ

88 posted on 01/18/2023 9:21:29 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Political Junkie Too

Political Junkie Too wrote: “So it is your contention that the FAA did not change their medical protocols to loosen EKG thresholds?”

I have no idea why they changed them. Nor do you. And neither does Kirsch.


89 posted on 01/18/2023 9:30:57 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: DugwayDuke
Exactly what have I posted about Kirsch that isn’t true?

Anyone who wants to have that question answered should take the time to review your posting history. You argue not with facts or even informed opinion, your favored tool is character assassination by mischaracterization and half-truths. You should be embarrassed by your despicable individual posts, but it is your body of work that paints a very ugly picture of your demeaner. Unfortunately, it is a reflection of the cancel culture that has become so prevalent in our society that takes down anyone who disagrees with the approved narrative. You are a complete tool of the left and for anyone to pretend otherwise is very dishonest.

90 posted on 01/18/2023 9:32:42 AM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: DuncanWaring

This is not an attempt to confirm or refute the original article, but to add a little more context. I am an experienced AME designated by the FAA to conduct all classes of aviation medical exams.

Yes, the did modify the the “normal variants” standards on EKGs (required annually for 1st class medical on pilots over 40) on or around Oct 26, 2022.

First-degree AV (atrioventricular) block with PR interval less than 0.21 in age < 51

CHANGED 10/26/2022 TO:

First-degree AV (atrioventricular) block with PR interval less than 300 ms (0.30 sec).

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/media/Normal_Variants.pdf

There have been published reports of an association between Covid infection and atrioventricular block. Whether that could be the case from vaccine injury, I do not know. The foci of myocarditis that was reported in the recent German autopsy report of individuals found dead at home would not have led to this change, rather, ventricular tachycardia, or similar.

I do know that even those outside of “normal” parameters can get a medical. And there are a LOT of things that are “abnormals” that the FAA allows, and these have not changed.


91 posted on 01/18/2023 9:33:31 AM PST by A Mississippian (Proud 7th generaion Mississippian)
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To: DugwayDuke
At this point we don't have to know why, just that they did.

The "why" will come later now that we know that they did it quietly.

Are you at least interested in learning why now that you know?

-PJ

92 posted on 01/18/2023 9:34:05 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: fireman15

fireman15 wrote: “DugawayDuke runs with the heard of sheep; he is like my cousins who are both college professors.”

The ones running with the sheep on this forum are the anti-vaxxers. Every instance of anyone experiencing health issues is automatically assumed to be vaccine related, that’s running with the herd.

I suspect your cousins know more about the issue with their son than you do.


93 posted on 01/18/2023 9:35:11 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: fireman15

fireman15 wrote: “Anyone who wants to have that question answered should take the time to review your posting history. You argue not with facts or even informed opinion, your favored tool is character assassination by mischaracterization and half-truths. You should be embarrassed by your despicable individual posts, but it is your body of work that paints a very ugly picture of your demeaner. Unfortunately, it is a reflection of the cancel culture that has become so prevalent in our society that takes down anyone who disagrees with the approved narrative. You are a complete tool of the left and for anyone to pretend otherwise is very dishonest.”

instead of answering the question of “what have I posted about Kirsch that isn’t true”, you choose to launch an ad hominen attack. I would suggest that your post is the perfect example of the cancel culture.

Care to explain why two boards of directors choose to disassociate themselves from Kirsch?
Care to explain why we should trust Kirsch’s comments on vaccines when the boards of directors, who were in a better position to know, found his comments to be that egregious?


94 posted on 01/18/2023 9:53:28 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: DugwayDuke
Every instance of anyone experiencing health issues is automatically assumed to be vaccine related, that's running with the herd.

My brother-in-law died early in the “pandemic”. He was counted as one of the first Covid deaths in our state. He had been in hospice care for an inoperable cancerous brain tumor. When he died Covid tests were not available for people who were not celebrities or politicians. He had no symptoms related to Covid that anyone in the family was aware of.

He wasn't alone, there were incentives from the beginning for doctors and hospitals to attribute deaths to Covid that everyone knew were not actually Covid deaths including murders, trauma, cancer and heart disease. I am sure that you were alarmed by this as well. /s

In truth you ignored it when people who died from causes not related to Covid were called Covid deaths. You continue to ignore it when people who go to the hospital for cancers, heart disease, and other deadly maladies die, and then are counted as Covid deaths even if their actual cause of death had nothing to do with Covid. That does not offend you at all or raise any red flags.

It is only when people started to notice a 1600% increase in deaths in athletes and young people shortly after they had a Covid shot that you are offended. It is only after people notice that their healthy relatives and friends died within days of getting a covid shot that you are offended. That is because you are a sheeple who believes whatever the authorities tell you to believe. I am sorry for you. God blessed you with a brain that you refuse to use. It is sad but not a recent phenomenon.

My wife's grandfather gained his citizenship by serving in the US Army during the Spanish American War. Before WWI the Wilson administration whipped up anti-German passions so much that the local sheeple such as yourself burned down his house and ran the family including my wife's mother who was an infant out of town. The entire family nearly died of exposure and starvation. No one was more patriotic than my wife's grandfather. They had nothing to do with what was going on in Europe, yet the family was tormented and barely managed to survive. It was people exactly like you who did it.

95 posted on 01/18/2023 10:05:44 AM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: DugwayDuke

https://rumble.com/v25yfhy-how-i-learned-the-truth-about-the-vaxx-silicon-valley-billionaire-steve-kir.html

Watch the video linked above if you want an explanation to what is troubling you directly from the source. I am confident that you will not because you do not seek the truth and never have... you only desire to confirm the narrative... Very, very sad.


96 posted on 01/18/2023 10:09:49 AM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: DugwayDuke
instead of answering the question of “what have I posted about Kirsch that isn't true”, you choose to launch an ad hominen attack

I asked people who were interested to review your posting history. Admittedly you should be very embarrassed by your posting history, but that is not what most would consider an ad hominem attack.

97 posted on 01/18/2023 10:17:05 AM PST by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: fireman15

fireman15 wrote: “He wasn’t alone, there were incentives from the beginning for doctors and hospitals to attribute deaths to Covid that everyone knew were not actually Covid deaths including murders, trauma, cancer and heart disease. I am sure that you were alarmed by this as well. /s”

Explain how that justifies claiming every death now is vaccine related.

fireman15 wrote: “It is only when people started to notice a 1600% increase in deaths in athletes and young people shortly after they had a Covid shot that you are offended.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2023/01/scicheck-no-surge-in-athlete-deaths-contrary-to-widespread-anti-vaccine-claims/

fireman15 wrote: “That is because you are a sheeple who believes whatever the authorities tell you to believe.”

Meanwhile you believe whatever grifters like Kirsch, Malone, Mercola, Gold, etc, tell you.

fireman15 wrote: “It was people exactly like you who did it.”

Talk about making slanderous statements. You have no basis for making that claim and you would lose in a court of law.


98 posted on 01/18/2023 10:27:51 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: fireman15

fireman15 wrote: “I asked people who were interested to review your posting history. Admittedly you should be very embarrassed by your posting history, but that is not what most would consider an ad hominem attack.”

I have no reason to be embarrassed by my posting history. But for the record an ad hominen attack is characterized as: “directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.”

Now exactly where have you attempted to refute my arguments rather than making personal attacks?


99 posted on 01/18/2023 10:31:26 AM PST by DugwayDuke (Most pick the expert who says the things they agree with.)
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To: DugwayDuke
But for the record an ad hominen attack is characterized as: “directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.”

...which is exactly how you started off this thread--by attacking a person, rather than the arguments.

Your posts hold no weight.

100 posted on 01/18/2023 11:07:31 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux - The Ultimate Windows Service Pack )
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