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AZ: Mt Lemmon Bear Attack, Details from 1996
Gun Watch ^ | December 21, 2017 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 12/25/2022 7:19:15 AM PST by marktwain

Over 20 years ago in 1996, I was driving to Phoenix, Arizona to catch a flight to Wisconsin.

I had the radio on. The news was reporting a horrific bear attack on Mount Lemmon, near Tucson, Arizona. A teenage girl had been badly mauled by a bear, in her tent, as part of a 4-H outing. A camp counselor had accessed a handgun and shot the bear, driving it off. As the hours rolled along, the AP stories started getting more vague and the story less heroic. The Internet wasn't well developed in 1996. It took me several years to track down the "camp counselor". Then, the notes and email were lost. Finally, in 2017, I made contact again.

The "camp counselor" who shot the 356 lb black bear off of Anna Knochel was Brett Kramer. He was the supervising adult in charge, an employee of the University of Arizona, in his official capacity as an Extension Agent. The details used to fill in and correct newspaper accounts of the time come from my interviews with Brett.

In 1996, it was the twilight before dawn when the big black bear entered the girls tent at 5:15 in the morning of 25 July. He pinned 16 year old Anna Knochel down and started biting and tearing at her. Anna did not make a lot of noise. She tried to protect her vitals and managed to get on her stomach. The bear bit at the back of her head, her shoulder, and back. It tore her leg open from the buttocks to the knee. The were extensive claw wounds from her scalp all down her back.

It took minutes for people in the camp to be alerted that a bear was attacking Anna in her tent. More time went by until Brett Kramer was told of the attack. He was in charge of 13 counselors and 71 children at the camp. Anna was one of the junior counselors.

He grabbed a flashlight and a canteen and ran down to Anna's tent, 50 to 60 yards away from the storage building where he was sleeping. He saw movement in the tent as he approached. He opened the front flap. Anna's cot was on the right. The bear was on top of her. He banged the canteen with the flashlight. He shouted. The bear didn't leave.

Brett remembered his .44 magnum, under the seat of his truck, two hundred yards away. He ran uphill, back to the storage building to get his truck keys. Fortunately, it was on the way to the parking lot. After a 150 yard sprint uphill to the truck, he grabbed his blued Ruger Super Blackhawk with a 7 1/2 inch barrel.

The pistol was loaded with six lead semi-wadcutter 240 grain bullets in .44 Magnum handloads. Brett is and was an avid reloader. He said the loading manuals put the load at about a 1000 feet per second, a hot load for a .44 Special, but mild for the .44 Magnum.

The pistol had been taken to camp by mistake. Brett had grabbed his pack, and the pistol happened to be in it. He was already on his way when he discovered it, so he locked the revolver in his truck when he got to the Boy Scout camp on Mount Lemon. It was legal to have the pistol in camp, but Brett wanted to keep it separate from the children he was supervising.

Other counselors tried beating on the tent and making noise. The bear was in full predatory mode. It ignored the disturbance.

Brett ran back to Anna's tent, about 200 yards, downhill. When he got back, the bear was still on top of Anna.

The first shot was from the front. It went through the shoulder and clipped a lung on the way to the abdominal cavity. The big boar immediately took off. Brett hesitated a moment for a clear shot, then fired again at the retreating bear, hitting it in the hind quarters. It was light enough to see and shoot. The sun would rise in a few minutes. Brett was 29 years old. He had just gotten a lot older.

A couple of hours later, two Pima County Sheriff's deputies were able to track down the bear. It was lying down, mortally wounded from Brett Kramer's handloads. They made sure with a couple of 12 gauge shotgun slugs.

Brett was able to attend the necropsy of the bear.

Anna Knochel was 16 and in excellent physical condition at the time of the attack. She was a high school swimmer and a cheerleader. The damage the bear inflicted was extensive. On the day of the attack, she was in surgery for 12 hours. It was the first of several surgeries, including an experimental transplant of a nerve from Anna's left leg to her severely damaged right leg. After months of re-constructive surgery and physical therapy, Anna was able to walk again. She eventually obtained an advanced degree, married and has a young son of her own.

The bear that attacked Anna was a known problem bear. Arizona Game and Fish, the University of Arizona, The U.S. Forest Service and the Boy Scouts were sued by the Knochels for negligence. A settlement with Arizona Game and Fish was reached for a reported 2.5 million dollars. The lawsuit had repercussions far beyond Arizona. I have not found results for the other defendants.

All over the country, departments responsible for the management of wildlife changed their policies. Problem bears were no longer treated to "catch and release", especially adult boars. Moving a problem bear moves the problem to someone else. Bears that become acclimated to humans, and associate them with food, are a problem. In modern parlance, a fed bear is a dead bear.

Research on black bear attacks showed that when a bear intends to eat you, fighting back is better than playing dead.

The Mount Lemmon bear attack case is one of many where bear attacks have been prevented or stopped with handguns. The calibers, so far, have ranged form 9mm to .44 magnum. Research is ongoing. I hope to have an updated article soon.

If you find an instance where the use of a pistol failed to stop a bear attack, please let me know. Such failures should be out there. The mythology is that such failures are common. I have not found one yet.


TOPICS: Government; Outdoors; Pets/Animals; Society
KEYWORDS: 44; az; banglist; bear; handloads; reloading
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To: smokingfrog

3” 686...TALO
Sweetie’
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That Hickock guy
Thanks


21 posted on 12/25/2022 11:12:56 AM PST by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: smokingfrog
Penetration favor mass. As marktwain noted, "...[H]eavier for caliber bullets generally penetrate better, if the bullets are designed to penetrate...."

Before smokeless powder was invented, plenty of elephants were killed with 4-bore and 8-bore rifles firing 1200-1900 grain bullets at 1200-1500 fps. And those had to penetrate about three feet of bone, muscle and sinew to get to the animal's brain. The most serious of the modern dangerous game rounds still favor massive bullets at 2200-2400 fps, but always with a non-deforming (usually monolithic) bullet.

Blogger Loose Rounds tested a .455 Webley -- the revolver round the British military used for about a thousand years -- shooting a heavy-jacketed 265-gr conical bullet generating only 559 fps at the muzzle (a paltry 184 fpe) but that penetrated 18.4 inches in ballistic gel. Apart from the engravings from the rifling, the recovered bullet showed little evidence of having being fired, which is typical for a bullet that's meant to bore deep holes.

https://general-cartridge.com/2020/04/07/loose-rounds-webley-455-mk-vi-265gr-fmj-in-clear-ballistics-gel/

I doubt you'll find an experienced archery hunter who'll tell you he's switching to a lighter/faster arrow because it'll penetrate better than a heavier/slower one.

22 posted on 12/25/2022 11:20:41 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: Big Red Badger

I forgot they were 7 shots.
Might have to modify my Dirty Harry taunt. LoL


23 posted on 12/25/2022 11:21:24 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: Paal Gulli
1200-1900 grain bullets

Excuse me, sir …. That would be a cannon. :)

Might come in handy in Jurassic Park, though.

24 posted on 12/25/2022 11:33:05 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: smokingfrog
"Excuse me, sir …. That would be a cannon. :)"

‘Think artillery’ when it comes to the 4-bore double rifles of Austrian gunmaker Peter Hofer.

If he's still in business, there's a gunsmith (Ken Owen) in Moscow, Tennessee still making 4-bore double rifles. His "in-house" ammunition drives a 2000-grain bullet @1600 fps. They're all customs, of course, but they run about 25-lbs to help tame the recoil. He mostly makes Nitro Express guns but you can tell he draws customers with thick wallets because he once built a 4-bore with woolly mammoth ivory inlays. IIRC, that one was featured in Guns&Ammo. If you see one of his 4-bores on auction at Rock Island or elsewhere, they typically fetch north of $100k ... used.

25 posted on 12/25/2022 12:32:50 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: marktwain
A teenage girl had been badly mauled by a bear, in her tent, as part of a 4-H outing.

I'd be talking to the planning committee about that.

26 posted on 12/25/2022 1:07:58 PM PST by IYAS9YAS (There are two kinds of people: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.)
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To: Paal Gulli

Wow, wow! The 4 and 8 bore rifles are awesome, indeed. 300 - 400 ft/lb of recoil buddy, that will get your attention. And the guns are art work.


27 posted on 12/25/2022 1:50:28 PM PST by MileHi ((Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Big Red Badger; marktwain; AlaskaErik; smokingfrog; FLT-bird; MileHi; Travis McGee

28 posted on 12/25/2022 2:35:54 PM PST by 4Liberty (Kamala’s relatives owned slaves.)
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To: 4Liberty
Very good! I once commented to a girlfriend, looking at a colorful, red and white sunset: "Isn't it beautiful! Just like a fresh kill on snow!"
29 posted on 12/25/2022 2:38:20 PM PST by marktwain
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To: 4Liberty

lol


30 posted on 12/25/2022 2:54:40 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: Paal Gulli
The .455 Webley is vastly underrated.

There's a reason it was the Brits' sidearm for a century or so. Heavy and slow gives good penetration and very effective "knockdown".

A lot of them were brought home by GIs and modified to shoot .45 ACP in half-moon clips. I have an unmodified one and load for it because factory ammo is almost unobtainable (and not very good when it is). I load a 250-gr flat-nose hollowpoint with Unique powder. The bonus is, it belches gouts of green fire from the muzzle and the forcing cone. Everybody at the range stops and calls, "What the )(*(&*&(^ was THAT?"

31 posted on 12/25/2022 3:19:13 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: AnAmericanMother
It is not a good idea to shoot .45 ACP harball in the Webleys. The pressures are about the same as proof loads for the Webley, and the full metal jacketed bullets may tend to stretch the frame.

Shooting lead bullets at factory velocities, using a handload with bullseye powder has yielded good results for many European shooters.

32 posted on 12/25/2022 3:29:51 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
I agree absolutely - generally prefer to shoot loads designed for a firearm (especially an old one!)

For my Webley loads, I've downloaded the powder charge, considering the age of the pistol and the top-break lock. Bullseye is considerably hotter than Unique, and I don't like to use a load with the powder just a small pile in the bottom of the shell- prefer to leave little room between the charge and the bullet.

I may try some of our lead cast bullets from wheelweights - the BHN is optimal for cowboy action shooting which requires bullets within a narrow range to minimize ricochets. And it doesn't leave a lot of fouling in the barrel.

33 posted on 12/25/2022 4:12:10 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
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To: Big Red Badger

I have a buddy who has that load in his gun when he hikes in the Sandias. It’s light Scandium Smith. He fired it at the range and that round made the recoil feel like he’d tried to stop a baseball bat swing.


34 posted on 12/25/2022 4:27:17 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim ( )
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To: TangoLimaSierra
Even worse is that he accidentally brought it.

I've accidentally carried firearms into nonfire-arm buildings or areas marked as not allowing same.

Oh! I have been just SOOO mad the next day when I realized why my new hotcomb seemed just so bulky.

35 posted on 12/25/2022 4:34:56 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: TangoLimaSierra
I've accidentally carried firearms into nonfire-arm buildings or areas or marked as not allowing same.

Oh! I have been just SOOO mad the next day when I realized why my new hotcomb was so terribly bulky!

36 posted on 12/25/2022 4:39:57 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: mylife
yogi loves pb&j

He takes a real shine to the head and neck areas too!

37 posted on 12/25/2022 4:44:07 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Wow.
Thanks that’s what I was thinking Too.
Buffalo Bores’ .38 +P is half the energy of their magnum rounds.
That what I feel comfortable with in a 4”
GP 100 but the adrenaline factor of having a Bear on my butt might be worth a Box at
40 bucks. 180 gr. a 1400 fps. Dang !


38 posted on 12/25/2022 5:17:51 PM PST by Big Red Badger (The Truman Show)
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To: marktwain
From "Forgotten Weapons'" Ian McCollum, An Overview of 4-Bore Stopping Rifles (YouTube)
39 posted on 12/25/2022 5:32:26 PM PST by Paal Gulli (The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anyt)
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To: Big Red Badger

Given his description of recoil, I’d go with their >38+P Outdoorsman. 158 gr at 1250 with a hard semi-wad cutter. Part of the deal is the metplat of the bullet. Elmer Keith was on the money with bullet profile. Plus, I’d like something controllable enough to stick more than one in old Oso.


40 posted on 12/25/2022 5:37:13 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim ( )
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