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Socialist Paradise? Canadians wait 7 times longer than Americans to see a doctor
Don Surber Blog ^ | 12/13/2022

Posted on 12/13/2022 9:24:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind

The Epoch Times reported, "Canadians are now waiting longer than ever before if they need to see a specialist, obtain diagnostic procedures, or undergo surgery, according to a new survey.

"This year, an estimated 1,228,047 Canadians are waiting for procedures in 10 provinces. This is roughly 3.2% of the country’s population, assuming each person is only waiting for one medical treatment.

"The Fraser Institute says that in the nearly 30 years it has been documenting how long it takes for patients to receive necessary medical treatment, this year’s wait time of 27.4 weeks is the longest."

Reading that, I wondered what the wait time was in the United States.

I poked around the Internet and found the answer at several places. The most recent (September 15) was by Sara Heath.

She wrote, "The average patient appointment wait time is up 8% since 2017 and 24% since 2004, with the latest data from Merritt Hawkins showing it takes around 26 days for a new patient to get an appointment with a provider in 2022."

26 days, not weeks.

A week is 7 times as long as a day.

Thus, Canadians are waiting 7 times as long to see a specialist than Americans are.

Americans are alarmed at having to wait nearly a month to see a specialist while Canadians seem content to wait more than six months to see one.

Heath quoted Tom Florence, president of AMN Healthcare physician search division, who said, "Physician appointment wait times are the longest they have been since we began conducting the survey. Longer physician appointment wait times are a significant indicator that the nation is experiencing a growing shortage of physicians."

America's doctor shortage stems in part from the slowdown in imports from India, the Philippines and other nations that are now prosperous enough to allow a doctor to earn a good living.

Perhaps we can import doctors from Canada.

Nonetheless, Canadians are quite proud of their health system. It's free, they say.

But it is not free. Canadians pay for their system in time and the chances they take by waiting for a doctor.

While they look down their noses at the trillions of bucks we spend each year on health care, the fact is the U.S. government covers almost all the costs for nearly half the nation. Medicare covers 60 million old people (and a few others). Medicaid and CHIP cover 90 million poor people and children. There are overlaps as some people qualify for both.

The difference in health care is in the goals of the two governments. Canada set up its Medicare program in 1968 to reduce costs.

The USA set up its Medicare in 1965 to reduce the poverty rate among the elderly. The poverty rate was 28% for the elderly in 1966. Today, it is 10%. 

The USA also set up Medicaid in 1965 to cover the poor. The poverty rate was 14% then. It is 11% today. 

Canada has succeeded in controlling health care costs. The National Library of Medicine reported, "The United States spends nearly twice as much per capita on health care as Canada: $7,290 per person in the United States in 2007 compared with $3,895 per person in Canada."

The gap between the two countries has not changed much in the intervening years as Canada succeeded in keeping costs down while the USA succeeded in getting grandma off the cat food diet.

But the waiting time for health care shows Canadians don't get the same quality of care. Early detection is a factor in beating cancer.

Right now, 3% of Canadians are in a six-month wait to see a doctor.

The situation reminds me of the Fram oil filter ads from 50 years ago: You can pay me now or you can pay me later. 

But there is some hope. 90% of Canadians live near enough to schedule appointments in the USA.

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TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Society
KEYWORDS: canada; healthcare; socialism; waittimes
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1 posted on 12/13/2022 9:24:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

My wife’s family is in Canada. Wait times are at least that bad, and worse if you actually need something (e.g. hip replacement). Diagnostic waits are especially bad.


2 posted on 12/13/2022 9:27:36 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? (Luke 18:8))
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To: SeekAndFind

When I raise such a question to my brain-dead leftist relatives in Ontario, I get: That’s all Lies! You listen to FOX news!


3 posted on 12/13/2022 9:29:59 AM PST by PGR88
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RE: When I raise such a question to my brain-dead leftist relatives in Ontario, I get: That’s all Lies! You listen to FOX news!

I certainly hope they don’t experience any painful conditions that require minor surgery.


4 posted on 12/13/2022 9:31:54 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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How long is the line at the Suicide clinic ?


5 posted on 12/13/2022 9:36:44 AM PST by escapefromboston (Free Chauvin)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is not supposed to be such a long wait if you want euthanasia. They just need to figure out how to work the system.


6 posted on 12/13/2022 9:36:49 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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7 posted on 12/13/2022 9:37:54 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Bet you an appointment to be euthanized is quicker.


8 posted on 12/13/2022 9:42:07 AM PST by Don Corleone (leave the gun, take the canolis)
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To: MtnClimber

The line is much, much shorter over here at the MAID clinic.

/sarc


9 posted on 12/13/2022 9:55:17 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction (Vim vi repellere licet)
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To: SeekAndFind

IF you can find one


10 posted on 12/13/2022 9:56:50 AM PST by Nifster (OI see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: SeekAndFind
My favorite…

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11 posted on 12/13/2022 10:15:35 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Is there any place in the world that does not cost $58,000 with little wait times?


12 posted on 12/13/2022 10:23:20 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
A few years ago I spent some time on the official British Columbia government website. Clicking on the "healthcare" tab I found,among other things,that in BC one is expected to receive a hip replacement within six months of it being determined that one is needed.It wasn't a guarantee,it was an expectation. Both of my hip replacements,done at a major Boston hospital,occurred within eleven days of me having made the call to arrange for my initial consultation.

It was also noted that there is at least one cardiac procedure (can't recall which one) for which one can expect to wait up to one year. A few years ago my young niece was diagnosed as having a heart valve defect and it was decided she needed that valve replaced. It was done...at a major Boston hospital...three days after her first appointment with the Cardiologist.

Lastly...a few years ago one of Canada's Provincial Premiers (can't recall which one) needed heart surgery. As a rich and important man he surely could have gone to any hospital in Montreal,Toronto or Vancouver. But he had it done here in the United States.

So...in Canada everyone has the right to a heart operation for which they might have to wait up to one year. And everyone has the right to a hip replacement for which they're likely to wait six months...or longer.

13 posted on 12/13/2022 10:24:28 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (No Doubt Now: Stolen Election)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thailand
Panama
Colombia
Spain
Portugal
France
Others.


14 posted on 12/13/2022 10:24:54 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

well, it seems that these countries are doing something right. Why don’t we study their healthcare system and follow it?


15 posted on 12/13/2022 10:26:47 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Trudeu wants them to croak before they get medical help.


16 posted on 12/13/2022 10:32:24 AM PST by Bonemaker (invictus maneo)
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To: SeekAndFind

Deep state wants to control you, ration healthcare, give free to most and charge you.

They must control education, economy, guns, healthcare, taxation levels, speech, etc, or they cannot have complete control.


17 posted on 12/13/2022 10:40:12 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything. )
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To: escapefromboston

From todays news: they can off you this afternoon.
Literally.


18 posted on 12/13/2022 10:51:19 AM PST by _longranger81
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To: SeekAndFind

A few years back I had a kidney stone. I saw my doctor on Monday, got referred to a specialist who I saw on Tuesday and had the thing laser blasted on Wednesday. All in the same week. And I had zero out of pocket costs. This was in Alaska. I’m guessing things wouldn’t move that quickly in Canada.


19 posted on 12/13/2022 11:27:54 AM PST by AlaskaErik (There are three kinds of rats: Rats, Damned Rats, and DemocRats.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Wait until the next generation doctors come through. If the best & brightest are limited i what they can make, practice etc. they will chase other professions where those restrictions are not in place.


20 posted on 12/13/2022 12:46:51 PM PST by Mean Daddy (Every time Hillary lies, a demon gets its wings. - Windflier)
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