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Go Ahead and Kill the LSAT. Whether or not law schools keep the famed admissions test, the evaluation that matters is the Bar exam.
James G. Martin Center for Academic Renewal ^ | October 12, 2022 | Matthew G. Andersson

Posted on 10/12/2022 6:55:54 AM PDT by karpov

The legal industry, and the law academy in particular, are in a high state of contention concerning one of their most protected traditions: the Law School Admission Test, or LSAT. The American Bar Association (ABA) that regulates our law-school industry is thinking of doing away with it. This exam is among the most heavily weighted student-applicant ranking methods for law schools and among the most feared and coveted competitive hurdles for law-school aspirants.

It is irrelevant.

Well, at least to those factions that want it removed as a requirement. They include a number of special interests, mostly in government, that seek to promote broad personal- and group-identity objectives. The LSAT (or any standardized test for that matter) is considered inherently biased, thereby making it a target of discrimination claims. This isn’t a bad issue to raise in general, as the test itself is rather old. More recent advances in learning theories, and even in neurobiology and brain science, can provide important new parameters of intelligence that may not be captured by standardized tests. Some biological science researchers, on the other hand, have come out fully in favor of standardized testing and explain why. This raises the obvious question as to whether the LSAT is actually outdated or if new applicants are merely going to be given a “pass” based on political criteria. (Alternately, for commercial reasons, the LSAT may, in the future, be merely a “check the box” formality, to accommodate current progressive viewpoints and to assuage law school deans.)

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To: karpov
Perhaps when they replace it they will make proficiency with bongo drums the critical criterion.

I was lamenting with an attorney that I had been rejected for Rutgers Law School in 71 because they had a woman priority admittance policy that year. The attorney asked what my LSAT was to which I told him 640. He further inquired about my undergraduate grades and pointed out with those you should consider Harvard. I laughed and said I was going to Rutgers as I could afford that. He responded you know the chairman of the Harvard Scholarship Committee; you are looking at him. I am also a JAG reserve Colonel and we want to encourage vets to attend. I guarantee you apply you will be admitted with a scholarship.
He noted the LSAT was the best predictor of success at law school and he encouraged me to take advantage of it.

This was in 71. Today it would only not happen, it would be ostracized.

21 posted on 10/12/2022 7:25:46 AM PDT by Mouton (The enemy of the people is the media )
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To: karpov
I agree. Forget LSAT, Law schools should only admit students that have passed the bar.

Wait... something seems wrong...

22 posted on 10/12/2022 7:29:06 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie ("We want no Gestapo or Secret Police. FBI is tending in that direction." - Harry Truman)
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To: karpov

The LSAT is a way to weed out those that don’t have what it takes to succeed in law school.

Without it, many people would rack up student loans and then fail out without graduating and then want Democrats to pay for it!


23 posted on 10/12/2022 7:29:59 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: Mouton
I have to ask, did you end up going to Harvard Law? That would be an interesting end to a great story.

And for the record, I went to Rutgers because Harvard would have laughed at me.

24 posted on 10/12/2022 7:31:52 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie ("We want no Gestapo or Secret Police. FBI is tending in that direction." - Harry Truman)
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To: jjotto

I’ve noted over the past year, with a few attempts, some difficulty in pinning down the acronym, if any.

Some say there is none.

Some say it is ‘British Accreditation Registry’.

Some say it is ‘British Accreditation Regency’.


25 posted on 10/12/2022 7:40:27 AM PDT by C210N (Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.)
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To: C210N

Barrister, I believe, but I could be wrong.


26 posted on 10/12/2022 7:41:32 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Who was Ashli Babbitt?)
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To: karpov

We all know why there is a big push to do away with it. It is an objective measurement. That doesn’t suit the “diversity” agenda.


27 posted on 10/12/2022 7:42:42 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: karpov

If I were a college I’d try to make sure the incoming material (students) had the right stuff for a career in law, such that I could be reassured I could turn them into graduates. If students come in almost as randomly as names in a phone book, that’s potentially a lot of dropouts and a waste of my resources; meanwhile my standing and accreditation are on the line. No?
Oh wait. This is about diversity. Never mind!


28 posted on 10/12/2022 7:42:51 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( )
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To: karpov

Close down the law school and open an adult day care.


29 posted on 10/12/2022 7:43:48 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( )
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To: Mouton

So did you go to Harvard?


30 posted on 10/12/2022 7:48:06 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: C210N

Interesting.

Maybe it’s just a reference to what’s now called a hand rail or banister on top of balusters dividing areas in a courtroom?


31 posted on 10/12/2022 7:49:37 AM PDT by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: jjotto

Yep, some say it is just the wooden ‘bar’ separating Admiralty/Maritime Law jurisdiction from Common Law (law of the land). (see Jordon Maxwell’s on-point explanations)


32 posted on 10/12/2022 7:53:38 AM PDT by C210N (Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Precisely


33 posted on 10/12/2022 7:58:51 AM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: jjotto

“‘Bar’ was the Brit practice of separating courts into parts for lower level folks versus areas for actual barristers (lawyers).”

Actually, something we should use here. Ya don’t need to pass the Bar exam for pushing some papers.

Also, read John Hasnas on the “The Myth of the Rule of Law”.
It’s those that rule on the law that make the law.

Burn it all down.


34 posted on 10/12/2022 8:16:17 AM PDT by Macoozie (Handcuffs and Orange Jumpsuits)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Exactly. The LSAT , prepping for it as well as taking it, showed me that I was on the right track. I could think like a lawyer, and I might actually enjoy that career. It was encouraging.


35 posted on 10/12/2022 8:23:12 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: karpov

As long as Law Schools get their money, they don’t care.


36 posted on 10/12/2022 8:23:49 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Red Badger

“Go away. ‘Batin’!”


37 posted on 10/12/2022 8:25:50 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

38 posted on 10/12/2022 8:28:48 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: karpov

Minorities have problems with the test so the test is the problem.


39 posted on 10/12/2022 8:31:45 AM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: karpov
Well, don't stop there. Go ahead and eliminate the requirement of the so-called Juris Doctor degree requirement, and go back to letting people sit for the bar exam after serving a apprenticeship to a practicing lawyer. That eliminates a lot of consumer student loan debt, and lets people live productive lives while learning what practicing law is really like. ABA law schools don't teach what must be known to pass the state bar exam, contrary to what many people may think.

Knowing the law is one thing, convincing a trial judge that he should apply the law correctly is something totally and completely different. Dealing with such petty tyrants is not taught in American law schools, but is very necessary in the daily practice of law. American law schools tend not to teach how to perfect an appeal, even at the federal level. No one should go to court without being prepared to file at least one appeal. A good lawyer knows the law. The better lawyer knows the judge, or at least is prepared to appeal.
40 posted on 10/12/2022 8:33:28 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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