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To: bitt
"If we don't stand up right now and fight back against Putin, it's gonna get a lot worse..."

Very unfortunately, he's correct.

I see no way out of this.

3 posted on 04/20/2022 9:23:13 PM PDT by sauropod (o may we start? It's timel to start. High time to start.)
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To: sauropod

Regardless of what most think now, Ukraine really is a critically necessary stepping stone to the greater objective.

While energy and food are critical to the world, and especially the EU, theor control is precisely the critical and essential means to control the EU itself.

As well, there is a limited window to force EU dependency on Moscow for survival.

The end game here is not Ukraine.

Russia doesn’t need Ukraine for it’s own survival. It needs Ukraine to enforce subordination of the West.

Even in a potential “cease fire”, Russia is just getting started.

Every move Russia makes in the Middle East , Northern Africa, and the Eastern Mediterranean region is a critical piece of the puzzle, and while years in the making, it is coming together.

The pipe wrench in the wheel is likely to be Israel in the near future.


8 posted on 04/20/2022 9:37:44 PM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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To: sauropod

It has been interesting to watch folks justify Russia’s entry
by Military into the Ukraine.

It’s leader, it’s society, it’s intention to join NATO, its
supposed money laundering, its biolabs...

Wait until Russia moves on Finland and Sweden.

In the Ukraine Soros and the globalists were the real
problem according to some.

Sweden and Finland have pretty stable nations. I don’t think
their leadership and society are going to resemble the
one so many people were trashing across the board.

When Russia goes marching in there, it should be interesting
to watch how Russia is defended and these two nations are
vilified.

As these two nations try to defend themselves, we’ll see if
they are trashed as wildly as the Ukrainians are. Why if
they would simply lay down their arms and quite driving up
the fatality figures, everything would be peachy.


9 posted on 04/20/2022 9:40:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: sauropod

The quickest out out of this is to kill Putin. Just that simple. Or he kills himself. WWII ended with the death of Hitler. WWIII will end, perhaps even before it begins, with the death of Putin. The guy is a deranged lunatic and there is no reasoning with him.


10 posted on 04/20/2022 9:40:29 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: sauropod

Who is the “we” here? We have no national interest in this fight. If “we” want things to go back to normal, then stop prolonging their war.


17 posted on 04/20/2022 9:48:02 PM PDT by Mr. Blond
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To: sauropod

I see a way out of this. Ukrainians have fought Putin back to the Donbas. He will take that as his win for now and declare vic.

He’ll be assassinated shortly after, probably just a long drawn illness ....


30 posted on 04/20/2022 10:35:53 PM PDT by Cronos
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To: sauropod
Of course there is a way out -- Ukraine surrenders, agrees to be a neutral state and recognized Crimea and Donbass as either part of Russia or independent. Problem solved.

Trying to fight that outcome is what will lead to a hot war with Russia or WWIII.

58 posted on 04/21/2022 8:58:37 AM PDT by Kazan
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