Posted on 04/05/2022 8:12:18 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables
It should be easy to find out what really happened to the massacred civilians in the Ukrainian town.
The truth about Bucha is out there, but perhaps too inconvenient to be discovered A woman walks in Bucha, in the outskirts of Kyiv, Ukraine, Sunday, April 3, 2022.
“In war, truth is the first casualty.” This quote has been attributed to Aeschylus, a 6th BCE Greek tragedian noted for his “copious use of imagery, mythic allusion, grand language, wordplay and riddles.” It is only fitting, therefore, that the man who first gave word to the concept of modern-day war-time propaganda would see his quote come to life in the present-day Ukraine. The Kiev government and their Western information warfare advisers may have coopted all of Aeschylus’ playwright devices to craft a modern-day tragedy in the Ukrainian town of Bucha that exemplifies the notion of the lie as not just a byproduct, but also a weapon of war.
The main source of the Bucha tragedy reports is a videotape, taken by the Ukrainian National Police, of one of their convoys driving through a street in the town. A dozen or so corpses litter the roadway, many of them appearing to have been bound. This video has gone viral...
... The linkage between the dead and the Russian military was established immediately, without any fact-based data to back it up, and subsequently echoed in all forms of media... ... Social “preconditioning” of an audience unused to critical thinking is an essential step in getting this audience to accept at face value anything that is put before it, regardless of how egregiously the facts of the story strain credulity. And let’s be clear – the Ukrainian narrative of the events in Bucha seems to stretch credibility...
(Excerpt) Read more at rt.com ...
Oh do you kiss Putin goodnight every evening and he tells you why he invaded Ukraine?
He invaded Ukraine because seizing Crimea and Ukraine had been his goal for decades. And that’s what he said.
If you want to believe he’s saving the world from nazis, that’s on you.
“... The linkage between the dead and the Russian military was established immediately, without any fact-based data to back it up...”
Then it wasn’t “established”.
This is an article written by idiots for idiots.
Ritter’s trustworthiness as a journalist is right up there with Brian Williams, Chris Wallace, Dan Rather, or Walter Cronkite, without the sex offense convictions ...
And he took out a lot of towns and cities !
Ritter is insane. Bucha is not the Donbas, it is suburban Kyiv. It is possible this could happen on the eastern front, but crazy to think Ukraine would try, could try, or get away with this around Kyiv.
You thought it a good idea to cry about being called a Putin Stooge by posting an article from Putin Stooge and convicted pedophile Scott Ritter ... LOL!
Keep ‘em coming! Making my second batch of popcorn...
During an appearance on Fox Business Network’s “Mornings with Maria,” host Maria Bartiromo asked the one-time commander-in-chief to comment on how he thought President Biden should respond to Putin’s “possible crimes against humanity.”“We’re watching a holocaust. We’re watching something that I’ve never seen before, the way that they’re going to go in — they’re blowing up buildings with children, with women, with professions, with people — think of just people,” Trump responded. “They’re blowing up indiscriminately, they’re just shooting massive missiles and rockets into these buildings and everybody is dying.”
“The numbers are far worse than what you’re seeing on television. … Many people are dying and we’re allowing this to happen,” he added.
What I don't understand is why they just leave them to rot instead of at least putting them in body bags.
Or better yet...bury them.
1. The side winning the war must have disciplined troops.
Disciplined troops do not commit war crimes. The side winning the war has nothing to gain by committing war crimes. What side is losing the war?
2. What side was caught significant number of times using fakes and lies in hope to prop their narative?
3. There are published news about Special Police unit SAFARI doing mop up operation in Bucha. When it was, whom they killed and why?
Corpses decompose on temperatures above 7 Centigrade.
How many days passed between Satellite overpassing Bucha took imagery of corpses and video footage being made on the ground ? How come the corpses did not decompose in the meantime?
Why they were placed in a zigzag fashion on the road? Why the cloth used to tie their hands was clean, no dirt, dust or traces of dirty hands?
Last but not least, what Pentagon say about Bucha news?
(Bucha conveniently rhymes whith “butcher” and butchery)
I read it, but as you know, only you people are allowed to yell fake news. If I was a reporter, the first thing I would ask is why wait to upload it? Maybe there is a reason. Also, maybe the mayor didn’t tour the city.
We will never know because this guy didn’t try and find out. Possibly because he has an agenda.
Look up Ritter’s involvement in Iraq. He cannot be trusted!
“Presumably he [Scott Ritter] got paid, but what motivates him to do that with his time.”
Maybe you were referring to that already, but pays to point out that Scott Ritter is a convicted pedophile. Putin is able to offer some rare goods old Scotty likes.
He is also a convicted pedophile.
There is a massive amount of one sided reporting.
Anything which makes one side look good and the other bad is taken at face value as factual and true, repeated over and over, talked about by the MSM, by pundits, politicians and bureaucrats.
The other side gets deleted, no air time, nothing...
Most of it isn’t even based on anything factual: measurable, verifiable. It’s literally all arguments based on fallacies:
We have seen stories about girls with blue and yellow ribbons in their hair holding rifles, even how the Russians kill puppies...
https://youtu.be/-Gq5Gk_qZqg Argument of outrage, that’s all this is.
Our MSM is basically peddling soap opera junk off as news, and what is amazing is that the vast public consumes it. Covid was the same way, so was global warming (the farce that never ends)... When it’s emotions vs. reason, emotions usually win. When people do not have the facts on their side, they flee into the realm of fallacies...
The tragedy here is how ignorant and gullible the masses are. That they repeatedly fall for it - didn’t we just come out of Covid? And here we are with the same crap.
Where was this news when for the last 7 years you had Russian minorities mistreated in eastern Ukraine? Where is the news showing actual drone footage of Ukraine using residential areas and other protected sites as shields, parking their military vehicles next to them or using these to fight from?
In fact, this video is a case closed. At 0:27 there is also a guy begging not to kill him at the background and then two shots.
This is garbage from a Trump-hating, Iraq-colluding, child-molesting traitor and propagandist.
Shame on you for posting this trash.
However, war is hell. It always has been and it will always have war crimes. Sherman's march to Atlanta was a series of war crimes designed to bring the horror of war home to the Confederacy. During the second Boer War “Rule 303” became quite famous.
War Crimes in WW2 among those who fought the Japanese in close combat were fairly common. At least my father's stories of being in two amphibious landings on Japanese held islands and the combat that followed, indicated that atrocities by Japanese soldiers were generally met with a no prisoner and death on sight policy in return. In fact the use of flame throwers and shooting those fleeing was considered by some as humane.
The fire bombing of Dresden and Japanese city civilian areas were likely war crimes. Of course they could hardly compare to what Imperial Japanese soldiers did to major Chinese and Pacific Island cities. There were war crimes in Korea and Vietnam. The Tribal and religious wars in Africa and the Middle East also have recently had lots of war crimes.
War can turn into a shark like feeding frenzy of blood. When people are killing each other violence can get out of hand quite easily. When it does, civilians are often caught up in the blood frenzy. It shouldn't, but it can and it does. That doesn't mean that there should not be rules associated with combat. That does not mean that serious war crimes should not be punished.
When I look at Ukraine and the government telling civilians to make Molotov cocktails and burn to death Russian troops and I see that the government has conscripted all males from 18 to age 60, I see a situation where any late teen or early 20 year old Russian conscript will be looking at any male whether armed or not as someone who might kill them.
I also remember reading where Ukrainian military members said that they would not give Russian artillery soldiers any quarter in the areas where civilian buildings and hospitals were shelled by artillery. I also remember a video which was suppose to be a Ukrainian soldier shooting a Russian POW soldier in the leg. I also saw stories in the press about Ukrainian women and grandmothers who were taking up arms and saying they would kill Russian soldiers. I recently read where Russian soldiers were ate poisoned bread and drank poisoned vodka given to them by Ukrainians.
Things are complicated and sometimes not clear. Who is a soldier and entitled to rights of surrender gets muddy when someone may have feed your friends poison or thrown a Molotov cocktail and burned to death your friends. The distinction between shooting a soldier, shooting a resistance fighter, and providing a loose form of self-defense against someone who may be a deadly threat can get muddy. Some things like rape, torture, killing of very young children or wounded are pretty clear.
My point is that I believe that war crimes were committed by Russian soldiers. I further believe that there have likely been war crimes by Ukrainian soldiers and civilians. I also believe that most of them should be punished to deter future war crimes by both sides. How that can be done fairly will be next to impossible.
Propaganda is an important part of war and of morale during war. I don't fault either side for their propaganda. I do feel that those who are not participants should be cautious in trying to separate fact from propaganda.
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