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Russian forces face mounting casualties among officers and increasingly frequent desertion and insubordination
Institute for the Study of War ^ | March 20, 4:00pm ET | Mason Clark, George Barros, and Kateryna Stepanenko

Posted on 03/20/2022 4:32:35 PM PDT by Zhang Fei

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Local mutinies don't mean much, but they bear watching. Red October is generally held to have begun with the mutiny aboard the battleship Potemkin. Over a decade earlier, a war that started with a much weaker Japan ended up in an abortive revolution:

Military leaders and senior tsarist officials agreed before the war that Russia was a much stronger nation and had little to fear from the Empire of Japan. The fanatical zeal of the Japanese infantrymen astonished the Russians, who were dismayed by the apathy, backwardness, and defeatism of their own soldiers.[79] The defeats of the Army and Navy shook Russian confidence. Throughout 1905, the Imperial Russian government was rocked by revolution. The population was against escalation of the war. The empire was certainly capable of sending more troops but this would make little difference in the outcome due to the poor state of the economy, the embarrassing defeats of the Russian Army and Navy by the Japanese, and the relative unimportance to Russia of the disputed land made the war extremely unpopular.[80] Tsar Nicholas II elected to negotiate peace so he could concentrate on internal matters after the disaster of Bloody Sunday on 9 January 1905.

If Putin feels his reign to be threatened by internal rivals - including from his subordinates, he will likely withdraw to deal with them, one way or another, as Nicholas II did, successfully, until he was undone by the unanticipated disaster of WWI, where 2m Russian troops were killed.

1 posted on 03/20/2022 4:32:36 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei

I think Ukranians are getting help that is not being talked about. Their successes are too out-sized for the size of their military.


2 posted on 03/20/2022 4:34:55 PM PDT by Jonty30 ( I am an extremely responsible person. When something goes wrong, my boss asks if I was responsible.)
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To: Jonty30

What successes? The successes the media tells you about?


3 posted on 03/20/2022 4:36:07 PM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: Zhang Fei

Putin screwed up so badly.


4 posted on 03/20/2022 4:36:09 PM PDT by toddausauras (How far will the left go in terms of destroying our personal freedoms?)
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To: Zhang Fei

MMM... can you say fragging boys and girls? Sure you can 🤣


5 posted on 03/20/2022 4:36:43 PM PDT by Lockbox (politicians, they all seemed like game show hosts to me.... Sting)
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To: Zhang Fei

The media lies about Biden.
The media lies about COVID.
The media lies about Ukraine.
The media lies about Russia.

What sort of person chooses to believe the lies?


6 posted on 03/20/2022 4:38:25 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Ukraine is not a good country and does not deserve active US support.)
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To: wastedyears

There has been no significant losses that I’m aware of and I do make use of independent sites that are not MSM.


7 posted on 03/20/2022 4:39:23 PM PDT by Jonty30 ( I am an extremely responsible person. When something goes wrong, my boss asks if I was responsible.)
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To: Jonty30

It is being talked about but not advertised.

Russians are getting help too. China is sending locations of Ukraine drone operators. The drones Ukraine is using are made in China.


8 posted on 03/20/2022 4:40:44 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: wastedyears

Look, we’re about four days from four weeks in.

I don’t believe everything coming from the media, but Russia
does not have a victory yet.

This is Russia vs the Ukraine we’re talking about here.

How do you spin that as Russia really doing swell?

Bringing foreigners in, in big numbers, it just doesn’t
look good for Russia at all.

150 - 200 thousand troops, just not enough?


9 posted on 03/20/2022 4:41:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (I pledge allegiance to the flag of the U S of A, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands.)
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To: All

Just so everyone know the source:

This publication is Bill Kristol’s International Neocon Central.

The Institute for the Study of War is a front.

Nothing they say should be believed under any and all circumstances.


10 posted on 03/20/2022 4:45:38 PM PDT by Mariner (War criminal #18)
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The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense reported...
11 posted on 03/20/2022 4:45:44 PM PDT by McGruff (It's America First, stupid.)
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To: Jonty30

Never underestimate someone fighting for hearth and home. And it does not hurt that the Russians are so incompetent.


12 posted on 03/20/2022 4:47:32 PM PDT by ARGLOCKGUY
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Are the buildings collapsing slower? May be there is some sort of anti-gravity magic supplied by NATO!

Every news video I see is shells hitting tall buildings converting them to unlivable wasteland like Detroit used to look when Auto manufacturing moved out.


13 posted on 03/20/2022 4:52:20 PM PDT by entropy12 (Blockade of Cuba by USA was OK by neocons, but Russia must tolerate NATO weapons on its border!)
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To: Zhang Fei

My prediction, there’s gonna be a war soon in the United States.


14 posted on 03/20/2022 4:55:26 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera )
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To: ARGLOCKGUY

“Never underestimate someone fighting for hearth and home.”

That’s a fact.


15 posted on 03/20/2022 4:55:33 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: DoughtyOne

1 Million troops not enough for urban street by street fighting or fighting in rice fields with guerilla’s. The 3rd world North Vietnam whooped our azz good in Vietnam. And we turned tail in Afghanistan fighting the illiterate Taliban.

Russia could win this war in 7 minutes if it launched a few tactical nukes at the cities in Ukraine. But that would be inhumane, so it will be turning one building at a time into rubble. That takes much longer.

4 years ago I drove on I-10 across state of Texas. It took me 2 days of all day driving at speed limits to cross the state. Ukraine is the size of Texas. How many years did we fight in Afghanistan? Vietnam? Iraq? I guess it takes a engineer like me to know importance of magnitudes. War for 4 Weeks and Russia is losing? Laughable.


16 posted on 03/20/2022 5:00:53 PM PDT by entropy12 (Blockade of Cuba by USA was OK by neocons, but Russia must tolerate NATO weapons on its border!)
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To: mac_truck

[My prediction, there’s gonna be a war soon in the United States.]


My prediction is that there’ll be a war in Russia before there is one stateside. It is *still* an empire ~2x the size of the US that covers, for the most part, the Mongol empire outside of Mongolia proper, China, Persia, Anatolia, Arabia and Central Europe. Russia could very well break up even further, with internal minorities hacking out their own Texas-sized countries out of the empire that the Tsars assembled at minimal cost in blood and treasure, thanks to their technological edge vs bow and arrow pastoral nomads.


17 posted on 03/20/2022 5:02:51 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: wastedyears

Lies ! Russia strong !!!!1

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/thdzia/compilation_of_russian_losses_in_ukraine_v2_v2/


18 posted on 03/20/2022 5:03:25 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: entropy12
I guess it takes a engineer like me to know importance of magnitudes.

I've often thought the same thing.

19 posted on 03/20/2022 5:21:10 PM PDT by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])
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To: Zhang Fei

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20 posted on 03/20/2022 5:27:24 PM PDT by Basket_of_Deplorables (Putin is behaving rationally. The war is on Biden and Obama.)
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