Posted on 02/27/2022 9:12:55 AM PST by icclearly
By tying itself to a reckless and dangerous America, the Ukrainians made a blunder that client states will study for years to come
(Excerpt) Read more at tabletmag.com ...
Actually I think pukin is deadly gambling.
Nonsense. The core thing to remember is that Ukraine had a neutrality agreement with Russia. They signed it when they gave up nukes in 1991.
Once Russia tore up that agreement and invaded, what other options did Ukraine have but a desperate attempt at an alliance with the west?
Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer (2015)
There should be a soviet national anthem playing as the soundtrack to this thread.
From the article: “This is a game that Biden and key figures in his administration have been playing for a long time, beginning with the 2013-14 Obama administration-backed coup that toppled a Russia-friendly government in Kyiv. This was the so-called Maidan Revolution, a sequel of sorts to the George W. Bush-backed Orange Revolution of 2004-05. Much of that same Obama foreign policy team—Blinken, Jake Sullivan, Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, and others—is now back in the White House and State Department working in senior posts for a president who personally ran Obama’s Ukraine policy.”
Soros Ran US Foreign Policy on Post-Coup Ukraine
Wayne Madsen
August 30, 2016
A tranche of some 2500 Internal documents, mostly Microsoft Word, Excel, and Power Point files, as well as pdf files, from George Soros’s Open Society Foundation (OSF) network of non-governmental organizations, which were obtained from the group «DC Leaks», shows that Soros and his advisers lorded over US policy toward Ukraine after the 2014 coup supported by Soros and the Obama administration ousted the democratically-elected Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych and his government. The leaked Soros documents describe how the OSF and Soros’s International Renaissance Foundation (IRF), based at 46 Artema Street in Kiev, worked with the US State Department after the 2014 so-called «Euromaidan» themed revolution to ensure that a federalized Ukraine was not in the picture.
In addition to George Soros (identified as «GS» in the leaked OSF documents, others involved in the Ukrainian coup planning included US ambassador to Kiev Geoffrey Pyatt; David Meale (Economic Counselor to Pyatt); Lenny Benardo (OSF); Yevhen Bystrytsky (Executive Director, IRF); Oleksandr Sushko (Board Chair, IRF); Ivan Krastev (Chairman, Centre for Liberal Studies, a Soros- and US government-influenced operation in Sofia, Bulgaria); Sabine Freizer (OSF); and Deff Barton (Director, US Agency for International Development (USAID), Ukraine). USAID is a conduit for the Central Intelligence Agency. Soros was present at a post-coup meeting on March 21, 2014 that involved US support for the «New Ukraine». One document describes the «New Ukraine» as a key measure to «reshapes the European map by offering the opportunity to go back to the original essence of European integration».
Soros pushed for sanctions against Russia for refusing to recognize the coup-installed government headed by Arseniy Yatsenyuk, which included neo-Nazis, and rejected a federalized Ukraine that would grant self-government to the Russian-speaking eastern Donbass region. In effect, Soros vetoed a proposal by Pyatt to negotiate a proposal made by Russian Foreign Minister that would grant autonomy to eastern Ukraine within a federalized Ukraine. Soros rejected the proposal because he believed it would grant Russia too much influence in Ukraine. Although Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland did not attend the March 21 meeting, she remained close to Pyatt and Yatsenyuk, who she affectionately called «Yats». In the end, the Obama administration rejected a federalized Ukraine and gave its full support to the unilateralism of Ukrainian president Petro Poroshenko and his puppet master Soros....
Read at:
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/08/30/soros-ran-us-foreign-policy-post-coup-ukraine/
“If you have an hour to kill, this lecture by Professor John Mearsheimer is more timely today than it was in 2015.”
Hmm let me check...
* In 2019, Mearsheimer said his preferred candidate in the Democratic presidential primary was Bernie Sanders.[79] Mearsheimer said that economic inequality was the greatest problem faced by the United States.[79]
Fascinating indeed...
“Actually I think pukin is deadly gambling.”
Personally, I think he has gone insane. And Russia has no provisions to deal with this.
Only time will tell if Ukraine messed up (thanks to us) or if Russia messed up. So far Russia is winning, since very little of substance has come out of the responses (just a short-term bank run and Germany finally deciding that they do need a military...a tiny price to pay, relative to what the West can do, even without risking combat).
So glad somebody posted this … I was planning to do so, but I’ve been very busy this weekend so it didn’t happen.
This is a brilliant article and a must-read.
Some people don’t realize how far back the conflict goes, don’t know anything about the Minsk accords (violated or ignored by both sides but particularly by the Ukrainians with the arrival of Zelensky), and don’t know the extent of the Biden family’s connections….with both sides.
I think a lot of FReepers are being manipulated into supporting Biden’s war. The press, of course, is all in, having given up being epidemiologists for being foreign policy specialists. They always get their marching orders from the Democratic Party (the Obama version). Maybe a daily bulletin?
In any case, people should start looking at some of the photos supposedly coming out of this thing - some are photos from other places years ago, some are stock photos (including one that turned out to be a Ukrainian army recruiting photo), etc.
This is all the result of a massive miscalculation on Biden’s part. Instead of trying to resolve the conflict…which Trump and Pompeo had successfully done earlier…he thought he’d gain brownie points with the left by posturing and challenging Putin because he knew that this was a regional conflict and that Putin didn’t plan to go to war over it, just do a little saber rattling (which the Ukrainians were also doing, btw).
The poor Ukrainians were foolish enough to let themselves be used by Biden and the ambitious Zelensky, the Russian people want no part of it and are even challenging Putin, the Duma had voted to support Putin, and the whole thing thanks to Slow Joe is such a giant mess that it may well bring on WWIII..
But when I saw that Turkey was getting involved, I realized that it was more reminiscent of WWI.
The only party that stands to benefit is China.
1” They signed it when they gave up nukes in 1991.”
1994. They voted for independence in 1991.
Donald Trump wasn’t the only presidential candidate whose campaign
was alleged to have been boosted by officials of a former Soviet bloc country.
Politico.com
By KENNETH P. VOGEL and DAVID STERN
01/11/2017
<>Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire; foreign aid billions threatened
<>Kiev scrambles to make amends with president-elect Trump after working to boost Clinton.
<>President Petro Poroshenko’s administration, and the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, insists that Ukraine stayed neutral in the presidential race.
A Politico investigation found
<><>Ukrainian govt officials helped Hillary and trashed Trump, questioning his fitness for office.
<><>They disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption
<><>They suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election.
<><>They helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers.
A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation.
The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails.
Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services, according to U.S. intelligence officials. They reportedly briefed Trump last week on the possibility that Russian operatives might have compromising information on the president-elect. And at a Senate hearing last week on the hacking, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said “I don’t think we’ve ever encountered a more aggressive or direct campaign to interfere in our election process than we’ve seen in this case.”
There’s little evidence of such a top-down effort by Ukraine. Longtime observers suggest that the rampant corruption, factionalism and economic struggles plaguing the country — not to mention its ongoing strife with Russia — would render it unable to pull off an ambitious covert interference campaign in another country’s election.
And President Petro Poroshenko’s administration, along with the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, insists that Ukraine stayed neutral in the race.
"Hungarians really believed," they said, "that the Americans would step up and help them in this revolt."
This whole thing was planned out by the US, they hope to get Russia bogged down with fighting a Ukrainian insurgency like we once did to Russia when they invaded Afghanistan. The goal was always to demonize Russia to preclude Europe from ever becoming economically dependent on Russian energy. All the players know what this game is about. (Well perhaps not the hapless Ukrainians who are mere pawns in this game)
what other options did Ukraine have but a desperate attempt at an alliance with the west?
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Would that be the same west that has allowed itself to become very dependent on Russian energy, mineral and agricultural exports? Just asking for a friend.
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