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Interest Rates Still Cannot Rise: Here’s Why!
Zubu Brothers ^ | 1-12-2022 | Thad Bevesdorf via MacroHeathen.com

Posted on 01/12/2022 11:50:14 AM PST by blam

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How High Could Budget Outlays on Interest Go?
1 posted on 01/12/2022 11:50:14 AM PST by blam
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To: MtnClimber; Mariner; cuban leaf
I had a 13% mortgage in 1980.

Your thoughts on interest rates today/tomorrow?

2 posted on 01/12/2022 11:52:12 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

Interest rates can and will go up. It will cause the U.S. budget deficits to surge and the economy to crater, but the democrats are already treating it as monopoly money. A few trillion here, a few trillion there, what’s the difference?


3 posted on 01/12/2022 11:55:38 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy (Dementia Joe is Not My President!)
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To: blam

And so inflation is a freight train hurling down an endless abyss with no brakes.


But not everything inflates at the same rate. There is an average number but a lot of extremes and even stability in that average.

So, what will inflate excessively and what might be fairly stable?


4 posted on 01/12/2022 11:56:07 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
They will only go up if the Fed increases the Fed Funds Rate.

I don't believe that will happen.

5 posted on 01/12/2022 11:57:07 AM PST by politicket
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To: blam

I’m going to invest in wheelbarrows. People will need to bring their cash to the supermarket somehow.


6 posted on 01/12/2022 12:01:34 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (The experts are liars. The conspiracy theorists are the people who have figured out the Truth.)
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To: blam

World banks and governments painted themselves into a financial corner.

Artificial low rates that a whole generation thinks is normal and deficit spending in the macro and micro economic sense

Sooner or later the piper will be paid! And it will be ugly.


7 posted on 01/12/2022 12:04:24 PM PST by llevrok (Pronouns: Me/myself/& I)
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To: blam

As long as no one reins in the spending, inflation is the easiest way to spread the pain out in the widest path.


8 posted on 01/12/2022 12:08:05 PM PST by gloryblaze
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To: blam
The Monetary Equation of Exchange is

MV = PQ

where M = money supply (he uses M2 here)

V = velocity of money (the number of times M passes through the system in a period of time)

P = Price Level

Q = real output

In the author's model, he assumes P is constant. As we all know right now, P is increasing at almost 7%. If prices are stable, the year-to-year change in Q is the productivity of the economic system. That productivity rate should be equal to the real rate of interest. To keep things in balance, the monetary interest rate--the rate charged by the Fed to member banks--is equal to the real rate of interest plus the rate of inflation. The last figures I saw had productivity falling year-over-year, which puts less pressure on interest rates right now. However, if output starts to grow, and I think it will, there will be upward pressure on interest rates as businesses clamor for funds to expand production ahead of sales.

In sum, I wouldn't bet any money on his theory that interest rates cannot rise.

9 posted on 01/12/2022 12:12:58 PM PST by econjack (I'm not bossy. I just know what you should be doing.)
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To: blam

As long as the Fed keeps printing money and under-bidding the professionals for U.S. Treasury debt, interest rates are going no where.


10 posted on 01/12/2022 12:14:26 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: blam

Why the stock market is going to keep going up up and up.
I do predict a steep correction this year but that is good.

Where else you going to put your money? .025 bank? .050 cd?


11 posted on 01/12/2022 12:14:33 PM PST by setter
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To: blam

Interest Rates ARE a drag on the Economy. That is why the FED raises them. And, yes, it’s PAINFUL!


12 posted on 01/12/2022 12:16:28 PM PST by MattMusson (Sometimes the wind blows too much)
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To: politicket
They will only go up if the Fed increases the Fed Funds Rate.

Either the Fed will start gradually raising the Fed Funds rate this quarter, or we will end up with Jimmy Carter stagflation. To kill the last round of hyperinflation in the early 1980s, the Fed ended up increasing the Fed Funds rate all the way to 18%.

13 posted on 01/12/2022 12:17:19 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy (Dementia Joe is Not My President!)
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To: blam

I’ve said to young people for many years that people don’t buy a price. They buy a monthly payment. It means the time to buy a house - from an investment perspective at least - is when interest rates are really high. It will depress prices and you can refi when rated come down. If you buy when rates are low, you are buying at a “peak” price and you’ll never be able to re-finance.

It looks like rates are about to climb. This means prices are going to fall, yet again. And this may be even bigger than the 2008 thing. We could see city markets drop by 50% or more. And because tech is enabling more and more WFH, it means it may “never” come back because when people walk away (like happened last time) they may walk away to more rural areas and STAY there.


14 posted on 01/12/2022 12:17:28 PM PST by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: blam
Questions:

Interest on the debt in 2022 is projected to be $305 billion. That is 5% of the Federal Government's budget. And 1.5% of GDP, if GDP is 20,054 billion. (a 2018 number for GDP).

15 posted on 01/12/2022 12:18:17 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: blam

tl;dr.

Do you wanna know the real reason why interest rates aren’t rising? Simple. FedGov has found they can keep borrowing billions and trillions of dollars at low interest rates and save billions of trillions of dollars in interest.

The only problem with that is FedGov has no plan whatsoever to pay back the interest much less the principle.


16 posted on 01/12/2022 12:19:30 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (I love my country. It's my government that I hate.)
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To: blam

At that time, the economy had a very high capacity for drag and managed 13% rates due to a very productive drivetrain (low public debt and high velocity). Today we have the drivetrain of an ’83 Yugo with no drag capacity at all.

An economic Yugo. Great.


17 posted on 01/12/2022 12:20:02 PM PST by Flick Lives
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To: blam

Communists are always creating policies to collapse an economy because the only way a revolution is possible to bring them to power is when things are horrible and people desperate. Bolsheviks did not take power in Russia because things were great, same everywhere else. Communists and socialists were rising in the 1930s in America because of the great depression and got put on hold due to WWII. Communists (aka Demoncrats) are happy to crash the economy and are actively doing so with the expectation of if successfully they will seize permanent control.


18 posted on 01/12/2022 12:21:38 PM PST by rigelkentaurus
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To: gloryblaze
Rates should be around 5%, for reasons having nothing to do with any of the above.

A borrower should be able to afford to pay 5% to 7% or so to rent somebody else's money.

In the past, those who saved for their retirement could count on converting to less risky CDs, etc., and living off the interest, drawing down little if any of their principal.

A lot of folks are holding off retiring, or otherwise dealing with low income, fearing out-living their money.

If interest rates rose to the point where they would be able to draw an income form the interest, it would free up a lot of money that's now in their savings.

The banks and other lending institutions could make their 1% or 2% spread on a LOT more money.

19 posted on 01/12/2022 12:22:43 PM PST by Mogger
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To: gloryblaze
"As long as no one reins in the spending, inflation is the easiest way to spread the pain out in the widest path."

Fed’s Beige Book Sees Continued Easing Of Shortages, But Warns Of Omicron-Linked Slowdowns

Does easing of shortages equal reduced inflation?

20 posted on 01/12/2022 12:23:06 PM PST by blam
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