FDA Report Shows That 6 Months After Receiving Covid Vaccinations, The Death Rate Is 24% Higher Among The Vaccinated Than The Unvaccinated

nteb ^ | 11/17/21 | Geoffrey Grider

[Sequoyah101]

Oh well, whatever. Just as long as I am free to make my own choices the data can say whatever anybody wants to believe.

I look at the overall rates and they are not statistically different. Different yes but not by enough to make one whit of difference to me.

Old people die when they get sick. Young people get better. When you stack the deck by protocols that kill old people die more often when they get sick than they did from other things but they all eventually die.

Almost all young healthy people don’t get blood clots or myocarditis. At least they didn’t before these vaccines showed up.

[Chode]

and they all knew there was a chance of placebo?

or no idea...

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

(Please explain by saying something like “instead of 10 out of a 100 dying, only (this amount) would die”, or something like that please).

Look at the table. For people 50-59

Number of cases fully vaccinated: 7319
Number of deaths (by covid) as result: 13
Case fatality rate = 13/7319 = 0.18 %

Number of cases fully unvaccinated: 31,903
Number of deaths (by covid) as result: 180
Case fatality rate = 180/31903= 0.56 %

An unvaccinated person between 50-59 in the unvaccinated set was more than 3 X more likely to die than a person in the vaccinated set.

Put another way, if the unvaccinated set had experienced deaths at the same rate then 31903 x 13/7139 = 58.09 or about 58 would have been expected to die anyway. 180 - 58 = 122 might be alive today if they had been vaccinated, however.

This is just simple math, I have no way of validating these statistics, and a lot depends on how you classify individuals and events (i.e., "covid death" and "fully vaccinated"). Read the article. The author is a big critic of lockdowns and mandatory vaccination. However he appears to be competent, intellectually honest, and an experienced health care professional.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

BTW, I had my booster shot last week (Thursday), my wife is getting hers today.

[Steve_Seattle]

With 50-80% of the people vaccinated in most states, and with natural immunity, the case rate and death rates for Covid should be plummeting. Instead, they are rising, especially the case rates, which in some highly vaccinated states are higher than at any time in the pandemic.

People can blame it on the unvaccinated, but there is something else going on. It's almost as if the vaccinated have become carriers.

Among my children and their spouses, who are all vaccinated, three of five caught Covid, as did four of the five kids. So far, all have experienced minor cold-like symptoms.

Perhaps a better measure than cases would be hospitalizations - not only for Covid, but for everything else. And the classification of people as "unvaccinated" who are actually vaccinated but test positive within two weeks, makes a further mess of the official statistics. This could incorrectly push many vaccine injuries into the unvaccinated column.

[DugwayDuke]

From the article: “The FDA report, however, revealed a larger number of deaths by all causes in both groups, with 17 deaths among the control group and 21 in the vaccinated cohort. The relative difference in all-cause deaths between the two cohorts amounts to 23.5%, though the absolute number of deaths was small – 38 total for all participants in the trial.” and out of 44,000 participants. (22,000 in each group).

This is a perfect example of how to misuse percentages. The relative percentages might sound large but the absolute difference are only one in 5500 or 0.0001818.

I notice the article didn’t quote a statistical test for significance.

[minnesota_bound]

I wonder what the death toll will be as the vaccines will continue to kill over the years those that do not die right away.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

I think what it really says about people under 30 is that death from covid is so unlikely that this data relatively small data set cannot provide any statistically meaningful information. Notice that the case fatality rate is identical between the vaccinated and unvaccinated set for people under 30. The truly striking statistic is that among those over 100, the case fatality rate was 14 times greater for those who have not been vaccinated.

Of course, this is only data for people who have exhibited symptoms and been diagnosed.

[Brilliant]

Which way is the causation though? I would think the elderly and people with health problems would be more likely to get the vaccine, so maybe it’s not so surprising that they also have a higher mortality rate.

[Lonesome in Massachussets]

The author of the article I link to is vocally opposed to mandates, and vaccinations for the young. For those over 70 there seems to a lot of advantage to getting the Jab. Those under 30, probably none.

[Gaffer]

The simple truth they are hiding is that the vaxxed ARE carriers. There’s no denying that for those who don’t subscribe to leftist administration and MSM BS....

[Gaffer]

I’m going on near a full two years with no jab and have worn the same ragged mask in grocery stores the whole time mainly to placate those vaxxed idiots who think they are ‘protected. They’re all walking around out there like “I been vaxxed - I’m covered and don’t have to wear a mask or anything anymore....I’m protected.” Meanwhile, they’re dying from ‘breakthroughs.’
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[Gaffer]

IMO, the ONLY protection is the natural antibodies produced from having had, and survived from, the Wuhan Covid Bioweapon...Those mRNA spike whatevers do nothing but relegate you to continual boosters to lessen the effects of the COVID virus you carry around like Typhoid Mary...

[metmom]

But, but, but, they’re safe. You just get a sore arm from it (so we were told by a vax shill here on FR just yesterday).

[AndyTheBear]

The jabbed dying more than the the unjabbed does not prove that the jabs make it more likely one will die. It could be those who are at greater risk are more likely to get the jab. However it does show that the jabs are of very dubious efficacy, and certainly not worth the population taken them entirely masse as short term they have caused a significant amount of death and injury, and could very well have very bad long term effects. The cdc and fda and Fauci etc should be fired and prosecuted.

[fireman15]

The data is being manipulated in unconscionable ways to manipulate the public. Here is an example from the UK where currently the number of vaccinated people dying from Covid is four times greater than the number of unvaccinated people. And even that is suspect because of the way that the data is “collected”.

https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/11/17/covid-deaths-ratio-vaxxed-to-unvaxxed-41-corporate-media-should-be-censored-for-spreading-disinformation/

[Bob434]

Thanks for that explanation. U fortu ately when it comes to math, y eyes glaze over and my brain refuses to engage it for some reason (I do suffer from “brain fog” from health issue, so that might be part of it)

Case fatality rate = 13/7319 = 0.18 %

Case fatality rate = 180/31903= 0.56 %

Th3 above I can understand better. BuT wouldn’t that work out to the unvaccinated still having a 99.44% chance overall of surviving covid? Or is my math off? If so, that is still pretty significant. Even the flu is up around that survival rate, or near it, and we don’t require mandatory vaccinations.

[Bob434]

[[The jabbed dying more than the the unjabbed does not prove that the jabs make it more likely one will die. ]]

That is true, and for the reason you stated. But the increase in deaths is enough that we should put the brakes on and determined if it is just because more vulnerable or close to death people are vaccinated or not. And we definitely should not be giving it to kids who have only a 0.0002% chance of dying from covid. Tne scum on the ,eft are trying to justify kids being jabbed by claiming that they are carriers and should be jabbed, but this is unconscionable when the virus overall has a better than 99.5% or so survival rate for all ages combined. Even among the sick and Audrey, its over 99% survival I beleive.

[bhl]

Here is a link to the report that you can read yourself.
https://www.fda.gov/media/151733/download

There were a total of 38 deaths, 21 in the COMIRNATY group and 17 in the placebo group.

Sounds bad, until you read this statement, conveniently left out of the this hack story.

** None of the deaths were considered related to vaccination. **

Why did your ugly propaganda fail to mention that important part?

[Steve_Seattle]

One thing that jumps out from your statistics is the small differences in the percentages of hospitalizations and deaths between the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups:

Hospitalizations: Vaccinated: 4.63%; Unvaccinated: 5.11%

Deaths: Vaccinated: .61%; Unvaccinated: .66%

If vaccine injuries causing hospitalizations or deaths for reasons other than Covid-19 were taken into account, the gap might be even lower, or maybe even shift to favor the unvaccinated group. VAERS shows 18,400 vaccine related deaths; 3% of that (an estimate of Minnesota's share) would be 540. VAERS shows 97,000 hospitalizations; 3% of that would be 2,910. And it is likely that VAERS underreports these things.

When assessing the seriousness of the pandemic, far too much emphasis is placed on case counts, the vast majority of which consist of cold-like symptoms of varying degrees.