Well its not like the last time a country was divided by the Russians caused any problems.
Soviet And Nazi Soldiers Talking After The Successful Invasion Of Poland
Posted on 11/13/2021 4:09:29 PM PST by raptor22
Tucker Carlson would have been a perfect adviser to the late Neville Chamberlain, the British Prime Minister who sold out Czechoslovakia in 1938 at Munich in an attempt to appease the Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler and waive a meaningless piece of diplomatic paper proclaiming “peace in our time.” Instead of confronting Hitler when it was relatively easy and when his own generals did not trust him, we got World War II, the Holocaust, and unfathomable carnage.
On his Wednesday night Fox News show, Tucker Carlson treated Ukraine like Chamberlain treated Czechoslovakia, a faraway country of no strategic importance, not worthy of fighting and dying for, and certainly not worth ticking off the brutal dictator trying to take it over:
Rep. Mike Turner (R-OH) may have gotten a more combative interview than he bargained for when he appeared with Tucker Carlson on Wednesday night.
Last week Turner and 14 other Republican members of Congress wrote a letter to President Joe Biden calling on him “to immediately provide support to the Ukrainians” after satellite images showed a buildup of Russian military “Tucker, thank you so much for bringing attention to this issue,” said Turner after Carlson welcomed him to the show. “This is one the mainstream media is not going to be reporting and is incredibly important for people to understand what Russia is doing and really the threat to the United States and the threat to the United States’ allies.” forces along Ukraine’s northern border.
After saying that many military families watch his show, Carlson told Turner, “I wonder if you could explain to them why it is in America’s interest that their kids risk their lives in Ukraine.”
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100% agreement here.
What bugs me most during Covid is that we discovered we don’t even have the ability to make our own meds.
That is stupid on steroids.
Defending Ukraine is upto to the NATO countries.Its time they take a sstand for something without requiering the United States to baby sit them.
The most the U.S. should do is provide defensive weapons to make it very expensive for Russia should they decide to attack.
By the way a lot of the former Soviet Unions aircraft and other weapons were manufactured in Ukraine so I’m sure that they could probably produce enough weapons to defend themselves should they decide to fight.
That’s a political decision they’ll have to make when the time comes.
He’s (author) really a cold warrior stuck in WW2.
Many of them may not realize it, but being lied to about progress in Afghanistan for 20 years, only to see things completely collapse and no provision to destroy or remove all the latest military equipment ... hard to want to continue to play the game of “democracy-needs-to-be-saved-again-by-the-US”. Russia smells weakness because of Xiden’s mental deterioration and his puppet masters screwing up Afghanistan. I say let the Euorpeans deal with the Ukraine ... it’s in their backyard. Hope they enjoy their Russian gas pipeline.
America is currently being invaded so excuse me if I don’t care too much about Ukraine.
Actually, it was the GOP who sided with Putin. They knew Biden would be soft on Putinist Russia and installed him anyway. The fact that Hunter Biden had taken millions in cash from a Russian oligarch in a money laundering scheme was reported well before the election. The GOP couldn’t have cared less.
Isn’t that the truth.
Comparing Russia today to Germany in 1939-40 is a bit off. Germany didn’t own France and Poland just a few years before (although they did have some legit claims to part of Poland). Plus Germany didn’t have 1000s of nukes with subs, bombers and those new fangled high speed maneuverable cruise missiles to deliver them.
I think the solution is to break it up. The Western part of the Ukraine (L’viv) should be independent and eligible for NATO, if they so desire. The center, which is based in Kiev, would be neutral, neither NATO nor Russia can base troops there, and the Eastern provinces either absorbed into Russia or become a Russian puppet state. I think that’s a natural division, and I believe even Putin stated he would be ok with it.
Currently watching one of Tucker’s accompanying interviews to the Patriot Purger series.
After Jan. 6, Thomas Caldwell was forced to spend weeks in jail even though he never entered the Capitol. To coincide with the release of Tucker Carlson Originals - Patriot Purge, Thomas and his wife Sharon join Tucker Carlson Today to share their story.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/SLwCXiLjnx9k/
They accused this guy of being the head of the Oathkeepers even though he’s not even a member. He is a veteran and the FBI found internet comms where someone referred to him as Commander. He was a Lt Commander in the Navy at one time, hence the handle given my a fellow veteran.
Poland should be in NATO.
Beyond that, The EU can handle it.
Why?
"Ukraine" is not in NATO.
In fact, about 1/3 of "Ukraine" consists of Polish, former Austrian territory stolen by Stalin as booty from his invasion of Poland in September 1939 as part of his alliance with Hitler.
Gdańsk was Gdańsk long before it was "Danzig".
LET PUTUN HAVE UKRAINE. UKRAINIANS HAVE DEMONSTRATED THEY ARE A KLEPTOCRACY INCAPABLE OF HINEST GOVERNMENT-HUNTER BIDEN’S PETS
Regarding my previous post.Its time for the United States to take care of the Issues that are affecting the American people.Issues that the Democrat Party created like poverty,poor education,a Lousy economy and high taxes. Lets not forget protecting our own National Borders from an Unwanted Rat Sponsored Invasion of the dregs of the earth.
Well its not like the last time a country was divided by the Russians caused any problems.
Soviet And Nazi Soldiers Talking After The Successful Invasion Of Poland
“Defending Ukraine is up to to the NATO countries
Why?
“Ukraine” is not in NATO.”
NATO sure seems like their encouraging Ukraine to join the organization.So if they really want it they should protect Ukraine so it can make a decision without Russian Intimidation or interference.
CNN Tucker was pro iraq war. Just as many on FR were.
Given this administration, I am praying for no conflicts with foreign countries.
I was pro-invade for the first war, but we shoulda taken out Saddam. We never woulda had Gulfwar2 otherwise.
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Here’s what I wrote on the subject of Iran, Iraq & Afghanistan a while back.
To: NormsRevenge
We SHOULD withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran.
Here’s how I think we should ‘pull out of Iraq. Add one more front to the scenario below, which would be a classic amphibious beach landing from the south in Iran, and it becomes a ‘strategic withdrawal from Iraq. And I think the guy who would pull it off is Duncan Hunter.
How to Stand Up to Iran
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1...osts?page=36#36
Posted by Kevmo to TomasUSMC
On News/Activism 03/28/2007 7:11:08 PM PDT 36 of 36
Split Iraq up and get out
***The bold military move would be to mobilize FROM Iraq into Iran through Kurdistan and then sweep downward, meeting up with the forces that we pull FROM Afghanistan in a 2-pronged offensive. We would be destroying nuke facilities and building concrete fences along geo-political lines, separating warring tribes physically. At the end, we take our boys into Kurdistan, set up a couple of big military bases and stay awhile. We could invite the French, Swiss, Italians, Mozambiqans, Argentinians, Koreans, whoever is willing to be the police forces for the regions that we move through, and if the area gets too hot for these peacekeeper weenies we send in military units. Basically, it would be learning the lesson of Iraq and applying it.
15 rules for understanding the Middle East
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1774248/posts
Rule 8: Civil wars in the Arab world are rarely about ideas — like liberalism vs. communism. They are about which tribe gets to rule. So, yes, Iraq is having a civil war as we once did. But there is no Abe Lincoln in this war. It’s the South vs. the South.
Rule 10: Mideast civil wars end in one of three ways: a) like the U.S. civil war, with one side vanquishing the other; like the Cyprus civil war, with a hard partition and a wall dividing the parties; or c) like the Lebanon civil war, with a soft partition under an iron fist (Syria) that keeps everyone in line. Saddam used to be the iron fist in Iraq. Now it is us. If we don’t want to play that role, Iraq’s civil war will end with A or B.
Let’s say my scenario above is what happens. Would that military mobilization qualify as a ‘withdrawal from Iraq as well as Afghanistan? Then, when we’re all done and we set up bases in Kurdistan, it wouldn’t really be Iraq, would it? It would be Kurdistan.
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I have posted in the past that I think the key to the strategy in the middle east is to start with an independent Kurdistan. If we engaged Iran in such a manner we might earn back the support of these windvane politicians and wussie voters who don’t mind seeing a quick & victorious fight but hate seeing endless police action battles that don’t secure a country.
I thought it would be cool for us to set up security for the Kurds on their southern border with Iraq, rewarding them for their bravery in defying Saddam Hussein. We put in some military bases there for, say, 20 years as part of the occupation of Iraq in their transition to democracy. We guarantee the autonomy of Iraqi Kurdistan as long as they don’t engage with Turkey. But that doesn’t say anything about engaging with Iranian Kurdistan. Within those 20 years the Kurds could have a secure and independent nation with expanding borders into Iran. After we close down the US bases, Kurdistan is on her own. But at least Kurdistan would be an independent nation with about half its territory carved out of Persia. If Turkey doesn’t relinquish her claim on Turkish Kurdistan after that, it isn’t our problem, it’s 2 of our allies fighting each other, one for independence and the other for regional primacy. I support democratic independence over a bullying arrogant minority.
The kurds are the closest thing we have to friends in that area. They fought against Saddam (got nerve-gassed), they’re fighting against Iran, they squabble with our so-called ally Turkey (who didn’t allow Americans to operate in the north of Iraq this time around).
It’s time for them to have their own country. They deserve it. They carve Kurdistan out of northern Iraq, northern Iran, and try to achieve some kind of autonomy in eastern Turkey. If Turkey gets angry, we let them know that there are consequences to turning your back on your ‘friend when they need you. If the Turks want trouble, they can invade the Iraqi or Persian state of Kurdistan and kill americans to make their point. It wouldn’t be a wise move for them, they’d get their backsides handed to them and have eastern Turkey carved out of their country as a result.
If such an act of betrayal to an ally means they get a thorn in their side, I would be happy with it. It’s time for people who call themselves our allies to put up or shut up. The Kurds have been putting up and deserve to be rewarded with an autonomous and sovereign Kurdistan, borne out of the blood of their own patriots.
Should Turkey decide to make trouble with their Kurdish population, we would stay out of it, other than to guarantee sovereignty in the formerly Iranian and Iraqi portions of Kurdistan. When one of our allies wants to fight another of our allies, it’s a messy situation. If Turkey goes ‘into the war on Iran’s side then they ain’t really our allies and that’s the end of that.
I agree that it’s hard on troops and their families. We won the war 4 years ago. This aftermath is the nation builders and peacekeeper weenies realizing that they need to understand things like the ‘15 rules for understanding the Middle East
This was the strategic error that GWB committed. It was another brilliant military campaign but the followup should have been 4X as big. All those countries that don’t agree with sending troups to fight a war should have been willing to send in policemen and nurses to set up infrastructure and repair the country.
What do you think we should do with Iraq?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1752311/posts
Posted by Kevmo to Blue Scourge
On News/Activism 12/12/2006 9:17:33 AM PST 23 of 105
My original contention was that we should have approached the reluctant ‘allies like the French to send in Police forces for the occupation after battle, since they were so unwilling to engage in the fighting. It was easy to see that we’d need as many folks in police and nurse’s uniforms as we would in US Army unitorms in order to establish a democracy in the middle east. But, since we didn’t follow that line of approach, we now have a civil war on our hands. If we were to set our sights again on the police/nurse approach, we might still be able to pull this one off. I think we won the war in Iraq; we just haven’t won the peace.
I also think we should simply divide the country. The Kurds deserve their own country, they’ve proven to be good allies. We could work with them to carve out a section of Iraq, set their sights on carving some territory out of Iran, and then when they’re done with that, we can help ‘negotiate with our other ‘allies, the Turks, to secure Kurdish autonomy in what presently eastern Turkey.
That leaves the Sunnis and Shiites to divide up what’s left. We would occupy the areas between the two warring factions. Also, the UN/US should occupy the oil-producing regions and parcel out the revenue according to whatever plan they come up with. That gives all the sides something to argue about rather than shooting at us.
38 posted on Thursday, July 12, 2007 3:55:19 PM by Kevmo (We need to get away from the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party ~Duncan Hunter)
I have been advocating for several years a policy I call ‘embaseees’. Embassy + AirBase —> EmBASEeees. We go into a terrorist country, clear out their taliban equivalent, then withdraw to very large Embassies, perhaps 3 of them. Have them big enough to encompass a military airbase where we can use it for decades on end to conduct anti-terrorism operations. As long as the ‘host’ country aint killing Americans then we let them have self-sovereignty. Kind of like how we operated in the Phillipines for decades. We could even have an intermediate zone that we patrol but it would be autonomous. Let them have their taste of freedom. A referendum every 10 years to see how large the boundaries of the intermediate autonomous zone should be.
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Neither was the former Yugoslavia, but there they were.
Many on FR finally learned how they have been lied to by their givernment and GOPe too. And have taken a different view of things now.
That being said, one cannot discount the event called 911 ... and what Americans were being told (and now not being told). So for any person to be for invading Iraq, the war not completed by H.W and Clinton .... is understandable. Hindsight is usually 20-20.
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