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UK: death protection downward slide accelerates
Igor's Newsletter ^ | 11/11/2020 | Igor Chudov

Posted on 11/12/2021 1:50:30 PM PST by Mount Athos

Fully vaccinated Britons were “responsible” for 81.83% of all Covid cases. Vaccines are now “worse than ineffective” and invite disease. The “negative effectiveness”, shown in red, means that the vaccinated are more likely to catch Covid than the unvaccinated.

Obviously, the idea that vaccinated people can get sick MORE OFTEN than the unvaccinated, is counterintuitive.

Although Covid survivors are present in both vaccinated and unvaccinated cohorts, it is possible that there are more Covid survivors among the unvaccinated. The unvaccinated Covid survivors have ironclad natural immunity and the pandemic is really behind them. Thus, their presence decreases infection rate among the unvaccinated. In the US and UK, vaccinators lump covid-naive and covid-survivors into one “unvaccinated” category (because they want to jab Covid survivors) and I have no interest untangling this confusion for the benefit of the vaccinators.

Unfortunately, the vaccinated may not develop ironclad immunity after breakthrough infections and it is possible, though not certain, that their immunity following breakthrough Covid infections will be as temporary as their vaccine antibodies. The mechanism for this is called Original Antigenic Sin (OAS) and has been known since 1960s. Read the linked article for details.

In the long run, whether the vaccinated can acquire natural immunity, or will get Covid endlessly, will be the largest deciding factor in the course of the pandemic.

Another possible explanation of negative protection is vaccine induced destruction of the innate immune system. Not all people catch Covid even when exposed to it. For example, my coworker spent a whole day in a vehicle with me on the day when I fell ill with Covid. And he did not catch it! He is still unvaxed and goes maskless everywhere and Covid just does not stick to him. Guess what, an experimental mRNA treatment developed to trick immune systems and disable them to preserve the nanoparticle payload, just might destroy those first lines of protection. So then, vaccinated people have those first lines of defense destroyed.

The less exciting explanations are also the most ridiculous. For example, some claim that the vaccinated are “less careful” and are “more exposed”. Are you kidding me? is my answer. Where I am, the unvaxed do not care about covid and the vaxed are all scared and “masked up”.

Another not-so-stupid explanation is that the vaccinated are less healthy. Really? So four months ago when the vaccine was working, they were healthy, and now they are “not healthy”? What happened? Well, if that is the case, I know why they are clogging UK, US and AU hospitals. This explanation is actually the worst condemnation of vaccination, which appears to make people less healthy over time.

Deaths On the deaths front, things are going from bad to worse. 82.49% of all deaths are in double vaccinated.

Protection from deaths continues dropping and seems to be going faster, although it is uneven. The red colored numbers are the changes in vaccine effectiveness for death protection. Vaccines still do have some protective effect when it comes to deaths.

Although protection is dropping every week, I actually expect this to reverse if boosters are given to enough people. This booster effect will be delayed for many reasons.


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While it has been known for a while that Vaccinated people are catching Covid as readily as the unvaccinated, the argument has been that the Vaccinated are much less likely to be hospitalized and especially die from covid.

This appears to be less true with every week. The death protection of vaccines is fading fast. What is happening in the UK is a glimpse into what may soon be happening in the USA.

"The long term effects of endless boosters are not yet known and are left to your imagination."

1 posted on 11/12/2021 1:50:30 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos
First chart is CASES, second is DEATHS.

CASES


2 posted on 11/12/2021 1:51:18 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos
DEATHS


3 posted on 11/12/2021 1:52:27 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

Population reduction has succeeded. But they need to doom the kids before the grownups catch on.


4 posted on 11/12/2021 1:53:53 PM PST by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: Mount Athos

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5 posted on 11/12/2021 1:53:54 PM PST by LilFarmer
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To: Mount Athos

There are two kinds of people in the world:
1. Vaccinated.
2. Purebloods.

BTW, this is becoming almost prophetic:

A twist on an Abbot and Costello routine to expose a different kind of lunacy:
Bud: ‘You can’t come in here!’
Lou: ‘Why not?’
Bud: ‘Well because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But I’m not sick.’
Bud: ‘It doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘Well, why does that guy get to go in?’
Bud: ‘Because he’s vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But he’s sick!’
Bud: ‘It’s alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.’
Lou: ‘Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?’
Bud: ‘Yes.’
Lou: ‘So then why can’t I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?’
Bud: ‘Because you’ll make them sick.’
Lou: ‘How will I make them sick if I’m NOT sick and they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘But they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘So what the heck does the vaccine do?’
Bud: ‘It vaccinates.’
Lou: ‘So vaccinated people can’t spread covid?’
Bud: ‘Oh no. They can spread covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.’
Lou: ‘I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore. Look. I’m not sick.
Bud: ‘Ok.’
Lou: ‘And the guy you let in IS sick.’
Bud: ‘That’s right.’
Lou: ‘And everybody in there can still get sick even though they’re vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Certainly.’
Lou: ‘So why can’t I go in again?’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘I’m not asking who’s vaccinated or not!’
Bud: ‘I’m just telling you how it is.’
Lou: ‘Nevermind. I’ll just put on my mask.’
Bud: ‘That’s fine.’
Lou: ‘Now I can go in?’
Bud: ‘Absolutely not?’
Lou: ‘But I have a mask!’
Bud: ‘Doesn’t matter.’
Lou: ‘I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.’
Bud: ‘I know.’
Lou: So why can’t I come in here today with a mask? ….If you say ‘because I’m unvaccinated’ again, I’ll break your arm.’
Bud: ‘Take it easy buddy.’
Lou: ‘So the mask is no good anymore.’
Bud: ‘No, it’s still good.’
Lou: ‘But I can’t come in?’
Bud: ‘Correct.’
Lou: ‘Why not?’
Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
Lou: ‘But the mask prevents the germs from getting out.’
Bud: ‘Yes, but people can still catch your germs.’
Lou: ‘But they’re all vaccinated.’
Bud: ‘Yes, but they can still get sick.’
Lou: ‘But I’m not sick!!’
Bud: ‘You can still get them sick.’
Lou: ‘So then masks don’t work!’
Bud: ‘Masks work quite well.’
Lou: ‘So how in the heck can I get vaccinated people sick if I’m not sick and masks work?’
Bud: ‘Third base.’
And...scene...


6 posted on 11/12/2021 1:54:09 PM PST by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: Mount Athos

How soon before we start hearing that it is not fair that the unvaxxed do not suffer from the anxiety caused by wondering if they are going to have heart problems, strokes, or a compromised immune system from the Notavaxes and that they must be made to get jabbed to even the playing field?


7 posted on 11/12/2021 1:55:32 PM PST by CheshireTheCat ("Forgetting pain is convenient.Remembering it agonizing.But recovering truth is worth the suffering")
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To: Mount Athos

Where is the “unexpectedly”?


8 posted on 11/12/2021 2:03:53 PM PST by bray (Our patience is wearing thin Joe)
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To: bray

right next to the “very rare”


9 posted on 11/12/2021 2:05:02 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: Rurudyne

ALTERNATIVE SAFE WAYS TO KEEP YOUR RESISTANCE UP & FIGHT COVID -19. AS WELL AS “VARIATIONS” AND A HOST OF OTHER INFECTIONS INCLUDING THE FLU.

THIS REGIME WILL “NOT” PREVENT YOU FROM CATCHING THESE CRAZY VIRUSES BUT IF YOU DO, IT WILL HELP TO SHAKE IT OFF FAIRLY QUICK, FOR SOME PEOPLE IT WORKS SO WELL THEY DON’T EVEN FEEL THEY GOT IT. BESIDES IT WILL ALSO WORK AGAINST OTHER RELATED VIRUSES; NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WILL BENEFITS YOUR HEALTH AS WELL, IF YOU CATCH THIS VIRUS OR NOT. EITHER WAY YOU WIN. ALONG WITH IT YOU WILL HAVE ACQUIRED NATURAL IMMUNITY WITHOUT ANY SHORT OR LONG TERM ADVERSE SIDE EFFECTS.

There are other ways and means to enhance your resistance against viruses including that by now infamous covid-19 virus aside from taking any of these “Quick” developed vaccines utilizing a messenger RNA. So far science has not evolved far enough yet to be certain how the human body will react many month or years down the road once we start tinkering around with our RNA and how our bodies will react should we encounter mutated strains of similar viruses.

Below is a list of vitamins as well as nutrients SUGGESTED BY A PHYSICIAN to enhance your resistance, they are harmless and even beneficial to your body unless someone goes crazy and over doing it. Even so they will NOT protect you from getting any specific viruses; neither will any of those new “QUICK” developed vaccines. But not only will they make you more resistant but also help you to overcome the effects of such a virus more quickly, should you have bad luck getting it.

And once you are over it, your natural immune system will take over and protect you considerably better than any vaccination, this according to a statement by Merck. The CATCH is to have these vitamins/nutrients in your system BEFORE you think you have caught this virus, as time is of essence so your system starts fighting the virus BEFORE it gets a chance to do any damage.

A suggestion to the wise, take some time and read up on each of these suggested components which is freely available on the internet.

Vitamin D — Vitamin D supplements are readily available and one of the least expensive supplements on the market. All things considered, vitamin D optimization is likely the easiest and most beneficial strategy that anyone can do to minimize their risk of COVID-19 and other infections, and can strengthen your immune system in a matter of a few weeks.

N-acetyl cysteine (NAC) — NAC is a precursor to reduced glutathione, which appears to play a crucial role in COVID-19. According to one literature analysis,7 glutathione deficiency may actually be associated with COVID-19 severity, leading the author to conclude that NAC may be useful both for its prevention and treatment. For best results should always be taken with two to three times the amount of vitamin C. DO NOT GET IT MIXED UP WITH ACETYL L-CARNITINE

Zinc — Zinc plays a very important role in your immune system’s ability to ward off viral infections.

Like vitamin D, zinc helps regulate your immune function8 — and a combination of zinc with a zinc ionophore, like hydroxychloroquine or quercetin, was in 2010 shown to inhibit SARS coronavirus in vitro. In cell culture, it also blocked viral replication within minutes.9 Importantly, zinc deficiency has been shown to impair immune function.

Melatonin — Boosts immune function in a variety of ways and helps quell inflammation. Melatonin may also prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection by recharging glutathione11 and enhancing vitamin D synthesis, among other things.

Vitamin C — A number of studies have shown vitamin C can be very helpful in the treatment of viral illnesses, sepsis and ARDS,12 all of which are applicable to COVID-19. Its basic properties include anti-inflammatory, immunomodulatory, antioxidant, antithrombotic and antiviral activities. At high doses, it actually acts as an antiviral drug, actively inactivating viruses. Vitamin C also works synergistically with quercetin.

Quercetin — Quercetin is the most abundant dietary flavonoid, found enriched in cranberry, onions, blueberry, apples, and tea. As a polyphenol compound, it is ALSO considered a potent iron chelator. A powerful immune booster and broad-spectrum antiviral, quercetin was initially found to provide broad-spectrum protection against SARS coronavirus in the aftermath of the 2003 SARS epidemic,14,15,16 and evidence suggests it may be useful for the prevention and treatment of SARS-CoV-2 as well. Not only that but quercetin also acts as an ionophore for zinc similar to hydroxychloroquine, in a matter of speaking it will unlock the cells to let the zinc in where it can attack the virus . It is also a good pain killer and better for the human body than Aspirin, what helps to subdue arthritis pain. I is good for sinus infection, in other words if you happen to have a runny nose. Past studies have also shown that quercetin showed potent ability against some viruses, such as enterovirus, Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV), and the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV).

B vitamins — B vitamins can also influence several COVID-19-specific disease processes, including17 viral replication and invasion, cytokine storm induction, adaptive immunity and hypercoagulability.

LYSINE
When lysine blocks enzymes it inhibits the spread of the virus in the body by limiting the effect of weakening this connective tissue. An adult may take 2-3000 mg per day of lysine while trying to beat a virus.

SUGGESTED DOSAGE

All components as suggested are individually obtained and freely available and if used with some common sense are not harmful and if anything beneficial to your health. However it is a good idea and highly recommended to read up on each component, as there is plenty of information available on the internet. You may be surprised to find out and learn about the many benefits they provide to your health.
Here is a suggested approximate dosage for each.

Vitamin D 1500 IU

Malatonine 3mg to 6mg suggested about one hour before you go to sleep.

QUERCETIN 500 mg to 1000 mg

NAC 500 mg to 1000 mg (N-Acetyl-Cysteine)

Zinc 50 mg (preferably in form of zinc acetate or zinc citrate as it is better absorbed )

Vitamin C 1500 mg or MORE !! but always should be to two three times as much as NAC

LYSINE
1500 mg to 3000mg

Vitamin B complex

So far whoever has been taking this regime of supplements and may have had a brush with this virus, shook it off fairly easily and quickly and the most important thing was that in the process such a person also acquired natural immunity. Not only that but at the same time this regime also helps to ease the effects of the regular flu.

Some of user’s comments:

Latest J&J Vaccine Info: Alex Berenson
4/15/2021, 10:49:29 AM • 27 of 28
Chauncey Gardiner to saintgermaine
Good post.
I have been on that same vitamin regimen since April 2020 along with approx 25 friends/family members. All of us socially active...restaurants, church, weddings, travel, etc. In other words, we’ve not changed our lives the past year. Not a one of us has tested positive and not a one has even had a cold. I’ve added hydroxychloroquine 200mg each Sunday starting about 6 mos ago.

Mississippi man partially paralyzed, unable to talk after J&J vaccine
4/16/2021, 6:48:45 PM • 37 of 39
upchuck to saintgermaine

Excellent regimen. Pretty much what I’ve been doing. I have been taking 5000 iu of Vit D3 per day for years and have never been sick (thank you Lord). With the China Virus, I upped it to 10,000 iu. I think zinc and quercetin are the most important.
10,570 DEAD 405,259 Injuries: European Database of Adverse Drug Reactions for COVID-19 “Vaccines”
5/21/2021, 7:41:23 AM • 52 of 52
jimjohn to saintgermaine
Been on similar regimens since August of 2020. Attended parties public events even a professional football game. Oh, and I fall in the high-risk category. Also posted recently about hearing friends and associates who’ve taken the jab complain about the after effects. Also note that my position would not recommend that I take this experimental vaccine.

Trump Girl Kit Cat to saintgermaine
My Doc put myself and EVERY patient he had on Quercetin, C, D3, Zinc, and NAC from day one he has not had ONE SINGLE patient catch this virus, I also put my 92 year old mom on it I NEVER miss a day!! My mom had a small stroke about 4 months ago neither of us vaccinated I had to take her to emergency and was worried because hospitals are an absolute petrie dish of germs we both spent 4 days in the hospital no masks in room AND we both came home just fine this supplement regimen works!!!


10 posted on 11/12/2021 2:17:19 PM PST by saintgermaine (Saintgermain the time traveler)
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To: Mount Athos; bagster; humblegunner; ransomnote

This is a very good, thoughtful article. Thanks to Mount Athos for posting.

In addition, clicking into the “fact check” the author critiques, I find exactly what I expected about fact checkers, namely that their favorite trick is to take nutty stuff from nutty blogs like The Expose (”the vaccine gives you AIDS”) and mix it in with incorrect and/or misleading “fact checks” on more thoughtful blogs based on strong evidence, like this one.

It almost makes you think that nutty websites like The Expose are set up deliberately to discredit real substantive criticisms of the pharmaceutical industry or the government.


11 posted on 11/12/2021 2:18:42 PM PST by edwinland
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To: Rurudyne

ALTERNATIVE SAFE WAYS TO KEEP YOUR RESISTANCE UP & FIGHT COVID -19. AS WELL AS “VARIATIONS” AND A HOST OF OTHER INFECTIONS INCLUDING THE FLU.

THIS REGIME WILL “NOT” PREVENT YOU FROM CATCHING THESE CRAZY VIRUSES BUT IF YOU DO, IT WILL HELP TO SHAKE IT OFF FAIRLY QUICK, FOR SOME PEOPLE IT WORKS SO WELL THEY DON’T EVEN FEEL THEY GOT IT. BESIDES IT WILL ALSO WORK AGAINST OTHER RELATED VIRUSES; NOT ONLY THAT, BUT WILL BENEFITS YOUR HEALTH AS WELL, IF YOU CATCH THIS VIRUS OR NOT. EITHER WAY YOU WIN. ALONG WITH IT YOU WILL HAVE ACQUIRED NATURAL IMMUNITY WITHOUT ANY SHORT OR LONG TERM ADVERSE SIDE EFFECTS.

There are other ways and means to enhance your resistance against viruses including that by now infamous covid-19 virus aside from taking any of these “Quick” developed vaccines utilizing a messenger RNA. So far science has not evolved far enough yet to be certain how the human body will react many month or years down the road once we start tinkering around with our RNA and how our bodies will react should we encounter mutated strains of similar viruses.

Below is a list of vitamins as well as nutrients SUGGESTED BY A PHYSICIAN to enhance your resistance, they are harmless and even beneficial to your body unless someone goes crazy and over doing it. Even so they will NOT protect you from getting any specific viruses; neither will any of those new “QUICK” developed vaccines. But not only will they make you more resistant but also help you to overcome the effects of such a virus more quickly, should you have bad luck getting it.

And once you are over it, your natural immune system will take over and protect you considerably better than any vaccination, this according to a statement by Merck. The CATCH is to have these vitamins/nutrients in your system BEFORE you think you have caught this virus, as time is of essence so your system starts fighting the virus BEFORE it gets a chance to do any damage.

A suggestion to the wise, take some time and read up on each of these suggested components which is freely available on the internet.

Vitamin D — Vitamin D supplements are readily available and one of the least expensive supplements on the market. All things considered, vitamin D optimization is likely the easiest and most beneficial strategy that anyone can do to minimize their risk of COVID-19 and other infections, and can strengthen your immune system in a matter of a few weeks.

N-acetyl cysteine (NAC) — NAC is a precursor to reduced glutathione, which appears to play a crucial role in COVID-19. According to one literature analysis,7 glutathione deficiency may actually be associated with COVID-19 severity, leading the author to conclude that NAC may be useful both for its prevention and treatment. For best results should always be taken with two to three times the amount of vitamin C. DO NOT GET IT MIXED UP WITH ACETYL L-CARNITINE

Zinc — Zinc plays a very important role in your immune system’s ability to ward off viral infections.

Like vitamin D, zinc helps regulate your immune function8 — and a combination of zinc with a zinc ionophore, like hydroxychloroquine or quercetin, was in 2010 shown to inhibit SARS coronavirus in vitro. In cell culture, it also blocked viral replication within minutes.9 Importantly, zinc deficiency has been shown to impair immune function.

Melatonin — Boosts immune function in a variety of ways and helps quell inflammation. Melatonin may also prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection by recharging glutathione11 and enhancing vitamin D synthesis, among other things.

Vitamin C — A number of studies have shown vitamin C can be very helpful in the treatment of viral illnesses, sepsis and ARDS,12 all of which are applicable to COVID-19. Its basic properties include anti-inflammatory, immunomodulatory, antioxidant, antithrombotic and antiviral activities. At high doses, it actually acts as an antiviral drug, actively inactivating viruses. Vitamin C also works synergistically with quercetin.

Quercetin — Quercetin is the most abundant dietary flavonoid, found enriched in cranberry, onions, blueberry, apples, and tea. As a polyphenol compound, it is ALSO considered a potent iron chelator. A powerful immune booster and broad-spectrum antiviral, quercetin was initially found to provide broad-spectrum protection against SARS coronavirus in the aftermath of the 2003 SARS epidemic,14,15,16 and evidence suggests it may be useful for the prevention and treatment of SARS-CoV-2 as well. Not only that but quercetin also acts as an ionophore for zinc similar to hydroxychloroquine, in a matter of speaking it will unlock the cells to let the zinc in where it can attack the virus . It is also a good pain killer and better for the human body than Aspirin, what helps to subdue arthritis pain. I is good for sinus infection, in other words if you happen to have a runny nose. Past studies have also shown that quercetin showed potent ability against some viruses, such as enterovirus, Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV), and the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV).

B vitamins — B vitamins can also influence several COVID-19-specific disease processes, including17 viral replication and invasion, cytokine storm induction, adaptive immunity and hypercoagulability.

LYSINE
When lysine blocks enzymes it inhibits the spread of the virus in the body by limiting the effect of weakening this connective tissue. An adult may take 2-3000 mg per day of lysine while trying to beat a virus.

SUGGESTED DOSAGE

All components as suggested are individually obtained and freely available and if used with some common sense are not harmful and if anything beneficial to your health. However it is a good idea and highly recommended to read up on each component, as there is plenty of information available on the internet. You may be surprised to find out and learn about the many benefits they provide to your health.
Here is a suggested approximate dosage for each.

Vitamin D 1500 IU

Malatonine 3mg to 6mg suggested about one hour before you go to sleep.

QUERCETIN 500 mg to 1000 mg

NAC 500 mg to 1000 mg (N-Acetyl-Cysteine)

Zinc 50 mg (preferably in form of zinc acetate or zinc citrate as it is better absorbed )

Vitamin C 1500 mg or MORE !! but always should be to two three times as much as NAC

LYSINE
1500 mg to 3000mg

Vitamin B complex

So far whoever has been taking this regime of supplements and may have had a brush with this virus, shook it off fairly easily and quickly and the most important thing was that in the process such a person also acquired natural immunity. Not only that but at the same time this regime also helps to ease the effects of the regular flu.

Some of user’s comments:

Latest J&J Vaccine Info: Alex Berenson
4/15/2021, 10:49:29 AM • 27 of 28
Chauncey Gardiner to saintgermaine
Good post.
I have been on that same vitamin regimen since April 2020 along with approx 25 friends/family members. All of us socially active...restaurants, church, weddings, travel, etc. In other words, we’ve not changed our lives the past year. Not a one of us has tested positive and not a one has even had a cold. I’ve added hydroxychloroquine 200mg each Sunday starting about 6 mos ago.

Mississippi man partially paralyzed, unable to talk after J&J vaccine
4/16/2021, 6:48:45 PM • 37 of 39
upchuck to saintgermaine

Excellent regimen. Pretty much what I’ve been doing. I have been taking 5000 iu of Vit D3 per day for years and have never been sick (thank you Lord). With the China Virus, I upped it to 10,000 iu. I think zinc and quercetin are the most important.
10,570 DEAD 405,259 Injuries: European Database of Adverse Drug Reactions for COVID-19 “Vaccines”
5/21/2021, 7:41:23 AM • 52 of 52
jimjohn to saintgermaine
Been on similar regimens since August of 2020. Attended parties public events even a professional football game. Oh, and I fall in the high-risk category. Also posted recently about hearing friends and associates who’ve taken the jab complain about the after effects. Also note that my position would not recommend that I take this experimental vaccine.

Trump Girl Kit Cat to saintgermaine
My Doc put myself and EVERY patient he had on Quercetin, C, D3, Zinc, and NAC from day one he has not had ONE SINGLE patient catch this virus, I also put my 92 year old mom on it I NEVER miss a day!! My mom had a small stroke about 4 months ago neither of us vaccinated I had to take her to emergency and was worried because hospitals are an absolute petrie dish of germs we both spent 4 days in the hospital no masks in room AND we both came home just fine this supplement regimen works!!!


12 posted on 11/12/2021 2:26:00 PM PST by saintgermaine (Saintgermain the time traveler)
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To: edwinland

Hey Edwinland, I appreciate the reply.

The use of the term AIDS is understandably confusing, since many people only associate AIDS with HIV infection.

Set aside the term AIDS for a moment, which stands for Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome.

The idea that these new corona vaccines may damage the immune system in the long term is not outrageous. I’m not saying it is certain, but it should be talked about and investigated.

There are anecdotal points that don’t prove anything but raise questions.

For example, why are Australian hospitals overwhelmed with NON-covid cases? Could this “super flu” in britain really be caused by a reduced immune system from Covid?

It is one of several possible explanations for why vaccinated are getting the disease more often than the unvaccinated, and is discussed in this article.

The vaccines do contain compounds that directly suppress an immune system response to spike protein damaged cells. There are other reasons to suspect it may affect the immune system long term.


13 posted on 11/12/2021 2:29:41 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: edwinland

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/hospitals-full-of-vaccinated-patients

Hospitals full of vaccinated patients
And it is not just Covid — it is “everything else”


14 posted on 11/12/2021 2:31:16 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos
The data in the U.S. could be reflecting this same decline in vaccine "effectiveness" in preventing death. It's difficult to be certain, however, because the CDC does not make available comprehensive information regarding the vaxxed status of those who die of COVID.

But with the pandemic having gone on for so long, it is now possible to compare COVID deaths in 2020 -- when no one had yet been vaccinated -- to COVID deaths in the same time period (e.g., by month) in 2021, at which time millions of Americans had been vaccinated. And what do we see?

Well, of late, there are more COVID deaths in 2021, compared to the same time last year. For instance, there were 47,643 COVID deaths in the U.S. in August 2021, compared to 29,881 in August 2020. There were 60,727 COVID deaths in September 2021, compared to 19,139 in September 2020. And while data for October 2021 have yet to be fully compiled, the 34,275 COVID deaths so far reported for last month compares unfavorably to the 24,909 incurred nationwide in October 2020.

Moving from the mass population level down to individual states also reveals interesting patterns. Vermont, for instance, experienced no -- that is, 0 -- COVID deaths in August, September, and October of 2020 (at which time, again, no one in the state had been vaccinated). By comparison, in August, September, and October 2021, at which time a very significant percentage of Vermont's population had been vaccinated, the state incurred 99 COVID deaths. These are, of course, small numbers in absolute terms (reflecting Vermont's modest population). Still, zero deaths in pre-vaccine 2020 and 99 deaths for the same three-month period in post-vaccine 2021 might be an indicator of something.

15 posted on 11/12/2021 3:05:03 PM PST by DSH
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To: saintgermaine

Bookmark


16 posted on 11/12/2021 3:36:34 PM PST by Danette
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To: Mount Athos

Singapore currently has the same problem, with higher vaccination (90% adult) but even even lower natural immunity (Less than 5%).

They have to open up in the next 6 months because their economy is being destroyed (International airport that was top 5 in world in 2019, now 8% of 2019), but when they open it will be OBVIOUS to everyone that even over 90% vaccination doesn’t stop the expoDential spread.


17 posted on 11/12/2021 4:51:55 PM PST by UNGN
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To: UNGN

thanks


18 posted on 11/12/2021 5:02:07 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos
Where I am, the unvaxed do not care about covid and the vaxed are all scared and “masked up”.

Same here.

19 posted on 11/12/2021 5:27:17 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith)
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