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Gun Fired by Alec Baldwin Identified
The Gateway Pundit ^ | 10-28-2021 | Larry Johnson

Posted on 10/28/2021 8:31:54 AM PDT by servo1969

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To: TokarevM57
....I did a little bit of research on accidental discharges...the following clip is from a Los Angeles Times article going back to 2015....again, just posting if for info, since some years ago, there WERE some instance of Glock handguns and accidental [sic] discharges...I own a Glock 17 Gen 3 and love it...!! AGAIN, these instances go back a number of years ago... (As Pilate said, what is truth...??)

Glocks are known to go off with alarming regularity when the trigger is pulled.

Other than the spin put on this by the LA Times, most of the Glock negligent discharges were due to the trigger being pulled. Go figure.

One specific case involved a cop at a gun store who was showing his firearm to the counter worker, and when he reholstered, the drawstring at the waist of his windbreaker got caught in the trigger guard, so when he pushed the gun into the holster the gun discharged. That is not the fault of the Glock, but was blamed on the Glock.

Then of course another famous Glock negligent discharge was by an undercover DEA officer at a school show-and-tell waiving his Glock in .40 cal, saying "I'm the only one professional enough in this room to touch this weapon," then promptly shot himself while reholstering.

At one point a majority of police agencies were using Glocks in .40 cal, so any negligent discharges were bound to involve a Glock. In fact, negligent discharges while holstering became known as "Glock leg."

Now that many departments have moved on to Sigs and Smith M&Ps, Glock bashing isn't as popular anymore.

101 posted on 10/28/2021 10:31:54 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: 353FMG
What if the gun had been used in a suicide scene.

Don't tease me like that!

102 posted on 10/28/2021 10:34:28 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Pudgy ditz for firearms responsibility??


103 posted on 10/28/2021 10:39:47 AM PDT by doorgunner69 ("Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: Bonemaker

Absolutely. I own both types


104 posted on 10/28/2021 10:54:14 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. )
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To: fireman15

There are different dummy cartridges, some have dimpled or fired primers, some have a rubber insert for primer, some have holes drilled in them. Some have no way to distinguish them from live ammos - the pic above is for an ad for dummy 45LC. The only saving grace of those rounds above is they are sized so they can't be loaded into a 45 cal gun.

See: http://www.historicreplicaguns.com/brass-dummy-cartridge.html

105 posted on 10/28/2021 11:00:45 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman!)
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To: 1Old Pro

Hey!

It’s Italian.

An immigrnt.


106 posted on 10/28/2021 11:03:31 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (My /s is more true than your /science (or you might mean /seance))
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To: servo1969

We should not lose sight of the fact that Barwin shot the cinematographer. Presumably he was to pretend to shoot at another actor. Loaded or unloaded he was never to aim it at the cinematographer who runs the camera. There were so many negligent acts here. And a wife and mother and up and comer in her craft is now dead.


107 posted on 10/28/2021 11:07:57 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Little Ray

Oh I understand the use of the 45 long colt and where the demand comes from. I only mean that outside that subset of shooters, 45 long colt is not as typical as say .22lr which most if not all hunters/shooters have.

Not that hollywood would have any rounds with them leftover from their weekend hobbies as their hobbies do not include shooting.

I guess my point is, when I grew up, there was a chance you might find a .22lr round laying around where it shouldnt be, dropped in the parking lot where it fell out of ones truck. You would be hard pressed to find a 45 long colt laying there.

The only way this incident could have been happenstance, imho, is if someone accidentally dropped a round near where the blank rounds were. Accidentally having a pocket full of .45 long colt is darn near impossible even where shooting is a way of life. These live rounds got there somehow and it wasnt by accident. That is all I meant to convey.


108 posted on 10/28/2021 11:18:51 AM PDT by walkingdead (We are sacrificing American youth's future on the altar of our own fear. And it is a travesty.)
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To: fireman15

.45 Colt, Yup.
.
So Why do some folk
Squawk at “45 Long Colt?”
I’ve had some heated
Discussions over that.


109 posted on 10/28/2021 11:33:25 AM PDT by Big Red Badger (Make His Paths Straight!)
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To: chuckles

“I don’t know how many times I’ve been handed a gun with the breech closed and was told “I already checked it”. I immediately opened it up before taking a step and checked it myself.“

This ^^^^^ 1000 times this ^^^^^^


110 posted on 10/28/2021 11:40:49 AM PDT by walkingdead (We are sacrificing American youth's future on the altar of our own fear. And it is a travesty.)
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To: Seruzawa

It is impossible to fire any firearm “accidentally”. It is always and only neglect and incompetence, at the very least.


I will confess that I ‘accidentally’ fired an 1897 Winchester shotgun as a kid. Exposed hammer, just like a Colt single action. Had been duck hunting with my uncle. I had taken a shot or two. After the ducks had flown off unscathed, I found myself with a loaded shotgun with the hammer back. I tried to lower the hammer, but if slipped off my very cold thumb. Happily it was not pointed at my uncle who was now fishing, but he did levitate out of the water and proceeded to deliver a rather forceful talk on gun safety.

I guess I count that as incompetence.


111 posted on 10/28/2021 11:43:05 AM PDT by hanamizu
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To: hanamizu

I know that mistakes happen and I’m certainly not perfect. But when it comes to guns I think it’s best to be ruthless in placing total responsibility on the person holding the gun. I blame only myself for any mishaps I’ve had.


112 posted on 10/28/2021 11:46:00 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Fido969
There are different dummy cartridges

It is true that you can make them any way that you want to. I consider the commercially made dummy cartridges to be a complete waste of money. They charge a lot for something that can be made basically for nothing. Personally I prefer to use an already fired primer in mine, and I mark up the cases with a permanent marker. The ones that I have made have mostly been used for training purpose to show people how to load handguns, rifles, shotguns and magazines.

So far I haven't heard anything from a news source that indicated that dummy cartridges were being used although this would be the most reasonable explanation for what happened.

113 posted on 10/28/2021 11:52:12 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: walkingdead

True. If they were using blanks though, and that’s what I’ve been led to believe, blanks do not look like live rounds. They are designed that way. Either there is a wad at the end of the casing or the round is crimped. A live round has a bullet in the end. So do dummy rounds. It’s hard to miss the difference.

Anyone using firearms is responsible to know these things. Even an actor like Arec Barrwin.


114 posted on 10/28/2021 11:52:33 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: fireman15
So far I haven't heard anything from a news source that indicated that dummy cartridges were being used although this would be the most reasonable explanation for what happened.

There is on record that they intended to load with dummy cartridges, which makes sense if they are going to point the gun at the camera, since that's how they do it.

The account from the armorer described 5 dummy cartriges to be loaded, 4 with holes drilled in them, and one with no primer. If true, I'm surprised a professional set would use a mix like that.

115 posted on 10/28/2021 12:23:18 PM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman!)
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To: Fido969
This actually was the quote describing the rounds:

After it was fired, Halls picked up the gun from a pew in the church set and took it to the armorer. Gutierrez Reed was told to open the gun so he could see what was inside. Halls said there were five rounds in the gun, at least four of which had "dummy" casings, as indicated by a hole on the side. There was one without the hole. He advised this round did not have the "cap" on it and was just the casing. David advised the incident was not a deliberate act, according to the affidavit.

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-assistant-director-rust-safety-lapse

I read "cap" as primer, since I think in terms of percussion caps. But I now wonder if by "cap" he meant bullet, in which case he pulled 4 dummy rounds, and one casing from a live-fired round.

116 posted on 10/28/2021 12:31:44 PM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman!)
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To: SteveH

An extra five minutes to step outside and dry fire all six could have saved a life.

It sounds like this is a real low-budget flick and the pressure was on to cut corners wherever possible. What a horrible outcome where saving a few minutes cost a life.


117 posted on 10/28/2021 12:38:15 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (“Everything Woke turns to shit.” ~ President Donald Trump)
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To: Seruzawa

But when it comes to guns I think it’s best to be ruthless in placing total responsibility on the person holding the gun.


I agree. I dn not think that Alec Baldwin intended to harm Halyna Hutchins, but through neglect, he killed her. He is responsible. How severely he should be punished, I don’t know. It’s not as if he’s a plainclothes Capitol policeman or anything.


118 posted on 10/28/2021 12:56:14 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: hanamizu

Ouch.


119 posted on 10/28/2021 12:57:42 PM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: servo1969
You KNOW how the left HATES GUNS!!! Now we need liberal actor's control bill passed by the liberals in congress to ban liberal actors, who know nothing about guns they hate from using them to make the shoot em up movies they claim to hate but make so they can make their money and buy their cars, planes, 15 houses, pay to 12 women who have had their kids, and of course those 13 wives they owe money to.

IF THAT HAD BEEN YOU OR ME HOLDING THAT PISTOL, OUR ASSES WOULD BE IN JAIL RIGHT NOW FOR MISHANDLING A LOADED WEAPON AND KILLING ANOTHER PERSON. Has ole Alex been arrested? He hasn't?? Oh, my bad. I would have thought he would. But, that's just me.

120 posted on 10/28/2021 1:01:59 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Free Will. GOD gives you the choice I accept or reject Him! Choose Him. It depends on you.)
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