Gun Fired by Alec Baldwin Identified

The term “PROP” still seems to be misunderstood here; “prop gun” does not necessarily mean a “FAKE GUN” the word prop just means PROPERTY the set of a play or movie.

I generally open the gate pull the hammer to the second click and spin the cylinder watching each chamber for rounds

That doesn’t do it for use in a film, television, of stage play setting. The cartridges that may be loaded in a prop gun may be 5-in-1 blanks, dummy cartridges, or actual live rounds. They have to actually removed and examined to determine what is actually loaded in the chambers. Dummy rounds are usually labeled as such, 5-in-1 blanks are pretty obvious, but some people make their own dummy rounds, and I’ve seen some idiots use live cases with live primers without powder thinking these were safe to use as dummy rounds. They are not. They can propel the powder less bullet into the barrel and cause a very unsafe condition that can explode a gun when fired with a subsequent live round or drive that bullet into a person with the firing of a subsequent blank round.

I’ve seen both situations occur with idiots were playing with reloads when I was running a gun shop. The no-powder/primer only followed by a live round destroyed a S&W Model 19 .357 Magnum by exploding the cylinder and blowing off the top-strap. . . and the stuck bullet being propelled into someone wounded a teenaged kid when his brother was deliberately trying to clear a bullet stuck in the barrel of a Colt .38. The blank hung fire, and he swung around and it discharged when it was pointed at his younger brother. Luckily it was a minor wound… but his shooter brother got a felony negligence conviction.

Yeah squibs can be dangerous when another round is fired behind it. When I was shooting Cowboy action, the timer RO would listen for squibs and stop the shooter if possible from firing again. All my ammo is my own reloads. Never had a squib….I load on a single stage press and check the powder levels.

Checking if a single action is loaded with only blanks is not difficult. But time consuming. It requires completely unloading and reloading the firearm.

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Make sure the barrel is pointed in a safe direction, quarter-cock the hammer to free the cylinder, and then rotate the cylinder to look through the front of each chamber for the crimped shell ends.

I've seen some idiots use live cases with live primers without powder thinking these were safe to use as dummy rounds.

So people who have the equipment and presumably the knowledge to reload cartridges waste a primers to do this? The people have been hanging out with obviously are not Linux or Windows users. LOL!!!

Very glad every time I see that you are still contributing. Thanks again for your comment. I had no idea that you once ran a gun shop. What haven't you done?

I would point out that commercially made blanks and “dummy rounds” are available in a wide variety of shapes, sizes and types for just about every type of firearm. You are simplifying things more than a little...

https://www.westernstageprops.com/Blank-Ammunition-s/1822.htm

And your condescending probably fake story from the MSM about people you know making dummy rounds with live primers is more stupid than educational. I hope your “shooter brother” didn't get too much time for his “felony negligence conviction”.

I know you live for a good argument... so there you go. Fire away!

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And your condescending probably fake story from the MSM about people you know making dummy rounds with live primers is more stupid than educational. I hope your “shooter brother” didn't get too much time for his “felony negligence conviction”.

Your condescending accusation I made this up ignores it did NOT come from the MSM, but my experiences in the four years I spent managing two gun shops including Simms Hardware’s Gun Department, named #1 gun dealer in the United States in 1971, and also The Olde Sacramento Armoury. I was qualified as an expert witness on firearm identification and values in the California courts. I was the buyer and appraiser for both shops.

Both of these shops had wholesale departments as well, with Simms being the West Coast parts supply for numerous gun makers including Winchester, Remington, Colt, and Smith & Wesson, as well as being the warranty repair depot for many of those brands, especially Colt & S&W, while the Armoury was operated by Pacific International Wholesale, the West coast wholesale jobber for Colt.

We saw lots of things come through from idiotic customers who did stupid things, including customers who’d bought a box of primed cases and just pressed bullets into them to make "realistic looking" dummy rounds because they didn’t like having "dimpled" fired primers on their dummy rounds. Realistic dummy rounds in rarer calibers were not easy to find retail in the early to mid-70s. We saw these idiots when they brought their guns in with the bullets stuck in the barrel or often locking the cylinder from turning, caught between barrel and the cylinder when the idiots fired their "dummy" round accidentally, usually after imbibing some adult beverages. These "locked-up" revolvers had multiple "dummy" cartridges loaded in them with live primers… but one fired primer. Fix was simple, drive the wedged bullet back into the cylinder, freeing the rotation, unload the "dummies" drive the bullet out if stuck, and most likely, re-align the revolver. Our gunsmith would ALWAYS pull the bullets from the powderless cases with an inertial bullet puller, before returning the gun, bullets, and cases to the idiot customer.

I can recall at least three such idiot incidents coming through our gunsmith shop for repair. One other, I’m pretty sure, was accidental from a reloading mishap where the reloader (not an idiot) got distracted and neglected to pour the gunpowder before seating a bullet.

I don’t recall what sentence the brother got… could have been a year or two, or even probation… but he was convicted of a felony.

No way Baldwin the actor walks on this. The Guild Actors union demands that an actor visibly check the gun and EACH chamber when they are handed the gun.....

Jeffrey Wright, who has worked on projects including the James Bond franchise and the upcoming movie “The Batman,” was acting with a weapon on the set of “Westworld” when news broke of the shooting Thursday at a New Mexico ranch.

“I don’t recall ever being handed a weapon that was not cleared in front of me — meaning chamber open, barrel shown to me, light flashed inside the barrel to make sure that it’s cleared,” Wright said. “Clearly, that was a mismanaged set.”

Actor Ray Liotta agreed with Wright that the checks on firearms are usually extensive.

“They always — that I know of — they check it so you can see,” Liotta said. “They give it to the person you’re pointing the gun at, they do it to the producer, they show whoever is there that it doesn’t work.”

No way Baldwin the actor walks on this. The Screen Actors Guild union demands that an actor visibly check the gun and EACH chamber when they are handed the gun.....

Jeffrey Wright, who has worked on projects including the James Bond franchise and the upcoming movie “The Batman,” was acting with a weapon on the set of “Westworld” when news broke of the shooting Thursday at a New Mexico ranch.

“I don’t recall ever being handed a weapon that was not cleared in front of me — meaning chamber open, barrel shown to me, light flashed inside the barrel to make sure that it’s cleared,” Wright said. “Clearly, that was a mismanaged set.”

Actor Ray Liotta agreed with Wright that the checks on firearms are usually extensive.

“They always — that I know of — they check it so you can see,” Liotta said. “They give it to the person you’re pointing the gun at, they do it to the producer, they show whoever is there that it doesn’t work.”

Hey buddy, I was getting a little worried. I was just trying to get a reaction to make sure that you are doing OK. I guess with pals like me... who needs enemies. I am very thankful that you are still full of piss and vinegar.

I hang out with other people who reload and no one I mentioned your story to... was familiar with people who have put live primers in “dummy” cartridges. It defeats the entire purpose of making up “dummy” cartridges for most people, which is typically either for training or to protect your firing pin when “dry” firing. But in the Bay area I suppose anything is possible even in the early 70s.

In other news... as a long time Sprint customer I was forced to get a new phone recently after T-Mobile acquired them and is now shutting down the Sprint CDMA network. You might remember that I tend to hang on to cell phones much longer than most people. I was hesitant to give up my Samsung S5 Sport because it had so many features that were useful to me and my obsession with fitness. It interfaced with the my Ant+ Cadence, Speed, and heart rate chest strap and also worked great with the Samsung Gear 2 Watch with additional fitness features that I bought in 2014. The “Apple Watch” which came out a year and a half later was of course another blatant Apple rip off from Samsung. But what is new?

So as I was pondering which phone I should get to replace my 7 year old Samsung setup... I briefly considered getting an iPhone since they were being offered to me from T-Mobile at a heavy discount. But I thought of you and our long standing relationship and realized that I just could not do it because it would give too much joy to the little Swordmaker and Tim Cook living in my head. So I opted for the “free” T-Mobile branded REVVL 5G.

I thought that I would hate it, but have to admit with 6 times the RAM, 8 times the built in storage, ten times the processing power, a higher resolution screen, and 4 cameras with the most powerful having a 48 megapixel sensor and a big battery... the darn thing does perform well. As an added benefit it weighs more than a framing hammer so it could be used as an effective weapon.

Eat right, live well and prosper