Posted on 10/16/2021 10:05:33 AM PDT by Impala64ssa
There is almost nothing Democrats can do to damage America, or Israel, that would change most American Jews' political leanings.
The latest example took place just last week. A college student speaking to the vice president of the United States, a Democrat, condemned America for supporting Israel, and charged Israel with committing "ethnic genocide" against Palestinians.
Harris's response?
"Your voice, your perspective, your experience, your truth cannot be suppressed, and it must be heard."
It was indeed the student's truth -- which means it was a lie. "Your truth" always means "a lie." When a person says something that is true, people don't say, "that is your truth." They say, "that's true."
And indeed, what the girl said to the vice president was a complete lie. Not a partial lie, a complete lie. As a rule -- except on the Left with regard to Israel -- groups that are victims of genocide decrease in number. Yet the Palestinians have had one of the highest population growth rates in the world. According to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, in 1991, there were 2,783,084 Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza. In 2021, there were 5,227,193. This number does not include another 2 million Palestinians who are citizens of Israel. How many other national or ethnic groups have doubled in size in the last 30 years?
Yet, despite this revealing incident, it is hard to imagine that one American Jew will in any way rethink his or her commitment to Biden-Harris.
One reason is that few Jewish Democrats even know it occurred. I Googled "new york times kamala harris george mason university" and the following results came up (in this order): New York Post, Politico, Times of Israel, JTA (Jewish Telegraphic Agency). Next came the New York Times -- an article from 2020: "Kamala Harris Makes History as First Woman and Woman of Color as Vice President."
I could find nothing about the incident in the news sections of the Washington Post or Los Angeles Times either.
Some of the most powerful forces in the Democratic Party (the reason for the $3.5 trillion spending bill) are indistinguishable in their hatred for Israel from Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian regime. Does this disturb American Jewish Democrats?
Not nearly as much as Donald Trump disturbed them. Most American Jews loathed Trump despite the facts that he was the most pro-Israel president since Harry Truman; that his daughter and grandchildren are religious Jews; and that he engineered the Abraham Accords, a peace agreement between the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain and Israel, which was followed by normalization of relations between Sudan and Israel and between Morocco and Israel.
Most American Jews believe the Democratic Party is a good and moral party and that the Republican Party is immoral and perhaps even evil.
This view is entirely emotional, which is why it is difficult to imagine it changing.
Most American Jews identify Republicans with the right and they assume "the right" means "fascist" or even "Nazi."
Most American Jews identify Republicans with the rich and powerful and the Democratic Party with the poor and downtrodden, even though the rich and powerful are overwhelmingly Democrats.
Most American Jews identify the Democratic Party with secularism and the Republican Party with religion (religious Christians and Orthodox Jews). And they are as committed to secularism as Christians are to Christ.
Most American Jews have signed on to just about every secular substitute for Judeo-Christian religions: feminism, environmentalism, "anti-racism," humanism, socialism. Jews, I have often noted, may well be the most religious people in the world -- but for the great majority of them, Judaism is not their religion. And the Democratic Party is the party of all these secular religions.
This is all a great tragedy -- not just for America but especially for American Jews.
America has always been the best country Jews have ever lived in outside of Israel. That is why a Jew wrote "God Bless America" (and did so at a time when antisemitism was much more prevalent and accepted in American society than it is today). That is why the most influential religious Jew of the 20th century, the Chabad leader, Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, described America as a (SET ITAL) medina shel chesed (END ITAL), a "country of kindness." Coming from Europe, he did not compare America to Utopia but to all the other countries Jews lived in.
Yet, something happened to American Jews after World War II. They veered more and more left -- becoming able to support America-hating movements (like the Black Panthers, for whom Leonard Bernstein and other prominent Jews in music and Broadway threw an infamous fundraiser).
And why did that happen? Because Jews became less and less committed to Judaism, substituted the New York Times for the Torah and went to college in greater proportions than any other ethnic or religious group in America. Colleges corrupt most students' values. Jews are no exception.
That helps explain why a Democratic vice president could praise a student who just told her that Israel commits ethnic genocide -- and have it mean nothing to most American Jews.
Because they’re bigots.
And look where that's gotten us.
Actually, I think the ancient churches are also traditionally theocratic. The "individual" thing is mostly Protestant (and "enlightenment").
No. Not at all. Ancient Israel wasn't individualist in the modern classical liberal way, but neither was Medieval Europe under Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.
It was Xianity that claimed Ancient Israel's legacy and relegated Jews to being their irreverent, free-thinking bad guys. Most American Jews, being secular, actually accept this and believe their whole purpose is the decriminalization of transgression.
“My Jewish friends and neighbors still think they are voting for FDR when they vote Democrat.”
That’s a big part of it. As if THAT was such a great idea in the first place.
And the US Constitution is more Bible-based than you give it credit for. Why do you think the left hates it so much?
Oh yes. America is the new holy chosen nation of the restored one true Protestant religion and Tom Paine and Thomas Jefferson were G-d-anointed "apostles." Why, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are Divinely inspired![/heavy sarcasm]
The Talmud is merely the Oral Torah written down at a specific point in time when it was in danger of being lost. Of course, that probably means nothing to you. Let it just be said that vowels and punctuation are not part of the Written Torah at all, and without the (unwritten) laws on how to write a Torah Scroll there'd be no Bible at all today.
What do you think about Catholics and Orthodox "replacing" the "new testament" with the church fathers and the Summa Theologica???
I wonder if it’s just a function of where Jews tend to live. I mean is there any other group that lives in urban areas at the rate Jews tend to do that vote any differently than Jews? I once tried to find the the exit polling for rural living Jews vs urban/suburban living Jews but failed.
Freegards
False assumption. Replacement “theology” is anti-God.
And please take thought for the lost ten tribes, who are themselves not replaced.
That's a big part of it. It's similar for Catholics, who tend to live in the older urban states, and for Asians who largely live where Jews live, in big cities and their suburbs. But I don't think it's the whole story, since Jews have been more solidly Democrat than either Catholics or Asians.
With Catholics you have whole states that basically reverse their political split. Catholics in one state will vote much differently than another state, basically following the red/southern state and blue northern state pattern. I think New Mexico and Louisiana Catholics had their voting pattern reversed in one Presidential election. It doesn’t follow like that for Jews as far as I can tell. You need exit polling for Jews by state and a lot of states don’t exit poll for that.
Freegards
I believe the OT and NT are equally important collections of books. The NT writers drilled into the actual meaning in the OT. Each book in our NT and our Septuagint were written to the people who lived when it was written, but it was also written “for” the generations to come. But we err when we interpret it with a 21st century world view. It’s position on slavery and “science” are just two examples.
But I see it as written by men Inspired by God. That is, I see it as both divine and human.
I’m not being correctly understood here. It’s hard to put all nuances of my beliefs here in a few short posts on a forum.
You and I agree more than you think. You can say Talmud, OT, or whatever other word you want to describe the Law under which the Jewish theocracy existed, depending on the audience.
I've always understood it to mean Jewish or Christian.
Everything in the article is spot on.
I boil it down to a red pill blue pill sort of deal. It takes a certain mindset and personality to see behind the curtain. Most people Jews or non-Jews are not willing to take the red pill. Easier to agree with everone at the Thanksgiving table and repeat what you’re told on NPR.
It’s really no moe complicated than that.
This is true. To secular Jews socialism is their religion and government is their temple.
No matter how many times they’ve been victims of socialists (the Nazis and Russian Communists/Socialists) they still vote for them.
Let’s take on the responsibility of informing the people in our own areas, ourselves. It may take some time, effort, and funds, but truth must start to pour out, on the local grassroot level. Together, we can get this all important task of informing people done.
I dislike this “Jews vote X” or “Evangelicals vote Y”
We are individuals, we make individual choices.
It is the Democrats who want “vote according to your caste”
Some Jews (may be even most) vote D, but that is not “Jews vote”
You ARE a Jew ethnically if your name is Goldberg or Marx. Karl’s father converted, but Karl was Jewish by ethnicity.
Rabbinical Judaism is today mainly a ethno-religion. During the time of Christ there were gentiles who converted to Judaism (a noted Roman of the Imperial Flavian dynasty was among these converts), but that number dwindled.
Rabbinical Judaism is mainly ethno-religious i.e. you are born into the Jewish ethnicity, whatever your religion.
This is similar to the Druze - like George Clooney’s wife Amal Alamuddin. All reports are that she doesn’t practice the faith, but she is born into it.
This is similar to Parsis - like Freddie Mercury/Faroukh Balsara who was born a Zoroastrian but seems not to have practiced.
This is true for Alawis, for Yazidis, for Mandaens, and to a large extent for Armenian Orthodox, for Copts, etc.
“Most of those laws align with bjorn again..” —> err.. NO, they do not.
Rabbinical Judaism has a deep corpus of work in the Talmud. The Talmud is the Oral Torah of the Pharisees with 400 years of dialogue between the various Rabbis of Babylon, Egypt etc.
Pick it up - it is highly complex and very logical reading.
But it is not “aligned with bjorn again” — no siree.
Who is “their friend”?
And if you’re talking about Jesus/God, then note that the early Church was mainly Jewish. Christianity remained a Jewish sect until 132 AD when it split with the OTHER Jewish sect, Rabbinical Judaism.
Israel i.e. Jews largely BECAME “Christian” i.e. followers of the way, by 67 AD. Why do you think the “Christ followers” were such a threat to the Pharisees and the Sanhedrin??
Remember also that to Paul and to the other Jews of the first century it was NOT A CONVERSION from one religion to another, but a change of thinking from Rabbinical or Sadducee or ... Jewish thinking to Christ-way Jewish thinking.
Jesus didn’t create a new religion - Jesus fulfilled Judaism and we are all now children of Abraham - GALATIANS 3:29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendant, heirs according to the promise.
Jesus’ kingdom was already inaugurated in 33 AD at the Pentecost.
Note in the book of Acts
20”25 “
“But now I know that none of you to whom I preached the kingdom during my travels will ever see my face again.”
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