Posted on 10/07/2021 3:01:16 PM PDT by Ennis85
When I heard that Spencer Klavan would be a speaker at the Classical Learning Test (CLT) 2021 Summit in Annapolis last week, I was surprised — shocked really — that a man who is openly homosexual would be featured there.
The fact that well respected Catholic intellectuals would also be speaking at the Summit, and that others are members of CLT’s Board of Academic Advisors, was troubling to me, as troubling as the big incongruency in Spencer’s life. I worried that the presence of Princeton Prof. Robert George, University of Dallas Prof. Jessica Hooten Wilson, and other well-known Catholic educators would give the appearance of approval of homosexuality and same-sex marriage. More specifically, I worried that young same-sex attracted Catholics witnessing the gathering would be free to conclude, “It’s OK to be a conservative, Catholic, AND an out and proud gay or lesbian.”
Oxford-educated Spencer’s conservative credentials are impressive. He is host of The Young Heretics podcast, an author at The Daily Wire, Associate Editor at the Claremont Review of Books, frequent guest on Candace Owens’ show, and son of Christian conservative Andrew Klavan. Yet Spencer has self-identified as ‘gay’ since high school, is currently engaged to be “married” to a man, and was one of the high-profile conservative gays at the Outspoken Pride 2021 gathering in Nashville in September. His future “husband,” Joshua Herr, serves as general counsel for The Daily Wire.
Klavan is among the rising number of gays in the Republican Party whose presence nowadays generally elicits nothing more than a shrug of the shoulders among many conservatives and Christians, including Catholics. The ranks of gay GOP members grew during the 2020 presidential campaign as they enthusiastically supported President Donald Trump, famously touted by homosexual former Ambassador and Director of National Intelligence, Ric Grenell, as “[t]he most pro-gay president in American history.”
A rickety bulwark against criticism of homosexuality and same-sex ‘marriage’
Spencer Klavan is brilliant. A gifted teacher, his podcasts explain what is often impenetrable prose of classic writers that is easily digested by non-academics, while not losing an ounce of the beauty, truth, and gravitas of their messages. As I’ve listened to Klavan’s podcasts and read his commentaries, I confess, I’ve fallen in love with his work. He’s right about so much, but he’s wrong about homosexuality and same-sex “marriage.”
So how can one claim to be a Christian, a conservative, and a classicist?
Klavan began counting himself a Christian at age 16 — at about the same time he “came out” to his famous Dad, Andrew Klavan — and was baptized into the Episcopal Church at age 18.
In a video interview conducted in October 2020, Klavan was asked to on about the Catholic Church’s teaching on same-sex “marriage” and homosexuality. His brief response revealed the bulwark against personal criticism he has built in his mind.
He explained that natural law theory and the Church’s interpretation of the creation of man and woman in Genesis incorrectly form the basis for Catholicism’s disapproval of gay relationships.
“I don’t think that that is an accurate portrayal of Genesis,” said Klavan. “Obviously things have developed after the fall [of man] in such a way as to permit, to make certain things licit that were not, at least, part of the relationship between Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.”
“I think it’s a wrongly-selective reading of Genesis that would say because Adam and Eve are commanded to be fruitful and multiply, a commandment that I affirm, therefore there is no such thing as acceptable, praiseworthy, romantic committed loving partnerships besides one man, one woman,” continued Klavan. “Many of the biblical heroes are polygamists, something that I don’t condone, I don’t condone polygamy, but I acknowledge that there are forms of sexual relationships that go beyond what happens in pre-lapsarian Eden.”
In other words, the fall of man — which separated humanity from God — somehow made homosexuality and genderless “marriages” okay with God, despite the discordance with nature and perversion of God’s clearly visible, knowable intention.
Klavan’s chosen protestant denomination, the U.S. Episcopal Church, began warmly accepting both homosexuality and same-sex marriages years ago, causing a rift with the Anglican Church while also playing a role in the sect’s plummeting membership.
Homosexuality: ‘Dehumanizing’
The fact that classic writers appear to uniformly disagree with Klavan about homosexuality has not dissuaded him.
Plato thought homosexuality was “dehumanizing” and Socrates “loathed sodomy,” according to Catholic writer Robert Reilly, author of “Making Gay Okay: How Rationalizing Homosexual Behavior Is Changing Everything.”
Socrates and Plato, were unambiguous in their condemnation of homosexual acts as unnatural. In the Laws, Plato’s last book, the Athenian speaker says, “I think that the pleasure is to be deemed natural which arises out of the intercourse between men and women; but that the intercourse of men with men, or of women with women, is contrary to nature, and that the bold attempt was originally due to unbridled lust.” By its nature, lust is unbridled, irrational, and therefore destructive of what it is to be human. Giving in to it is therefore Dehumanizing.
Socrates said that a certain man was “no better off than a pig if he wanted to scratch himself against a [young male] as piglets do against stones,” Reilly further noted.
C.S. Lewis, the Christian apologist who Klavan views as the “greatest intellectual of the 20th century,” also disagrees with him about homosexuality. “The physical satisfaction of homosexual desires is sin,” wrote Lewis in a letter to a former student.
The relentless seeping in of homosexuality in Catholic education
“There has never been a better time to invest in the souls and minds of our nation’s kids!” exclaimed CLT 2021 Summit participant, Tony Kinnett, in a tweet.
https://twitter.com/TheTonus/status/1444336215772258305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1444336215772258305%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lifesitenews.com%2Fblogs%2Fclassicist-teacher-homosexuality%2F
While the effort to steep America’s young people in the classics is admirable, does living as a homosexual with the intention of “marrying” a member of the same sex undermine that effort, risking the corruption of their “souls and minds?”
Does Klavan’s presence at the 2021 Summit create a problem for Ave Maria University, Christendom College, Franciscan University of Steubenville, The University of Dallas, and Hillsdale College, which are among the 204 schools that recognize the CLT? The incongruities of his life stand in opposition to the fundamental truths these institutions hold dear.
The Catholic school superintendent of Denver, Elias J. Moo, was another featured speaker at the CLT summit; Michael Moynihan, Head of the Upper School at Opus Dei’s prestigious The Heights School in the Washington suburbs, is on CLT’s Board of Academic Advisors, as is Catholic University of America Professor Chad Pecknold.
The seeping in of homosexuality into conservative circles, whether it be within the GOP, the Catholic Church, or conservative education institutions, continues with little notice.
In February 2020, Fr. James Martin, S.J. — the most prominent clergyman arguing for the normalization of homosexuality and transgenderism within the Church — was “warmly welcomed” as he addressed 150 Catholic college and university presidents, urging them to promote “inclusion” on their campuses by promoting “LGBT-affirming liturgies,” permitting students to choose their own pronouns, and holding “Lavender Graduations.”
Klavan is not alone. Ambassador Grenell, FOX News commentators Guy Benson, Deroy Murdock, and Chadwick Moore, “Walk Away” movement founder Brandon Straka, outspoken pro-Trump activists Scott Presler and Christian Walker, and others — although brilliant, successful men — have not yet tapped into the intellectual curiosity and honesty necessary to reject the “born this way” lie which now defines them. Homosexuality remains a stumbling block, stalling their trajectory beyond political truth toward bigger, preeminent ones while also undermining their attempts to supplant liberal insanity with conservative principles.
In this way, their personal lives serve as obstructions, hindering the flow of maximum truth into the world as they continue to resist both science and nature. They cling to an impoverished self and worldview, leading to diminished personal lives and contributing to our pauperized American culture.
Klavan and the others could learn a lot from the intellectual honesty and integrity of Milo Yiannopoulos, who has left the world of sodomy and the cortege of lies and partial truths that follow in its train.
Yiannopoulos has accomplished more good during his year and a half as a chaste, dedicated follower of Christ than he was ever able to during his years as a famous gay conservative provocateur.
The Bible is not the word of God?
Sorry pal, I quit reading right there.
In all fairness, I don’t think that conservative Christians object to homosexuality any more than they do Islam or Judaism or communism. As long as the homosexuals do not interfere with Christian doctrine, education or practices.
If they do interfere, it is entirely another matter.
Interesting that you compare humans to flies. Also, you’re implying a false dilemma, that picking a fight is the sole alternative to what you call “dignity and respect”.
If the Father calls such people, then they will work to overcome their behavior. If not, then it isn’t their time yet and they are to be avoided lest their sin rub off on anyone.
It is the reading of Scripture that stands in the way of the LGBTA world, and thus the inordinate amount of labor prohomosexual polemicists expend attempting to negate its condemnation of sodomy. HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONS and the BIBLE (extensive, by the grace of God).
God made man and women distinctively different yet uniquely compatible and complementary, and only joined them together in marriage - as the Lord Jesus Himself specified (Mt. 19:4–6) - and Scripture only condemns homosexual relations wherever they are manifestly dealt with.
Yet there is still room at the cross for all who will come to God in repentance and faith, and trust in the Divine Son of God sent by the Father, the risen Lord Jesus, to save them on His account, by His sinless shed blood, and thus be baptized and live for Him. Acts 10:36-47
We can take them to the bank
2 Pet 3:15-16
15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him,
16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
So what other parts of the Bible have you chosen to reject or ignore? And on what basis have you so chosen? Have you received special revelation from God Himself.
Can a person be considered a Christian if they believe in a God but not any of the hundreds of religions that supposedly believe in a God?
Should Christians attend gay marriage of relative?
I kept reading after that. It was strange.
Boy you get some strange doctrine here sometimes.
I think to deny the scriptures as God’s word is to undermine the Christian Faith. If not the Bible, then where is our faith founded?
Feelings?
No.
It would be better to attend a Pagan traditional wedding than a “Christian” wedding that celebrates sin.
I had a good friend who was gay and we would visit. He asked me if I thought it was a sin and stated that was my interpretation. I shared that I have my sins I need to work on too. I just don’t understand people equating it to the 10 commandments.
The left ultimately wins.
Conservatives are paper tigers.
God loved us while we were yet sinners.
Jesus lived and ate and walked among sinners that He loved and never once excused the sin.
We can, too.
“Have you received special revelation from God Himself.”
No. I simply use the gifts he gave me, a brain to think with and free will to go explore, do my own research and thus come to my own conclusions and interpretations. As I explained in an earlier post, Pauls statement in Corinthians 5:11, which I am certain you believe are actully Gods words, show quite a lot of cognitive dissonance. Since I don’t believe God suffers from cognitive dissonance I do not believe them to be God’s words or commands, I believe them to be Paul’s, and to be perfectly honest I don’t give a damn what Peter supposedly said. First of all, Peter did not write the Gospel of Peter; Paul did not write the Gospel of Paul; none of the Apostles wrote the Gospels that are attributed to them, the Gospels were written many decades or even centuries after the events supposedly took place.
Peter, Paul and the rest of the Apostles were not holy men, they were just men subject to the same temptations and foibles and bad behavior as all other men and to worship them and their words seems like worshipping false idols to me.
Possessing the free will and the kind of brain God created human beings with allows us to think and reason things out using logic and our gained experiences, you should try it some time.
“Faith can move mountains Milt, but it can’t beat a faster draw....”
I haven’t had to make that decision, currently I think I would choose not to attend.
Tolerating others is not the same as promoting Church wedding for gays.
Church weddings for homosexuals is loving the sin, not the sinner.
Hardly. He did not admonish the church not to keep company with the sexually immoral that did not pretend to be believers in Christ, he admonished the CHURCH brethren not to keep company with people who professed to be Christians, and yet continue to wallow in sexual immorality.
That being said, we have no common ground on which to discuss theology or Biblical doctrines. You pick and choose which Bible.verses are true and I accept all of them to be true. Ce la vie.
You are the master of your own religion. Good luck with that. I honestly hope you don’t get too many converts.
bttt
In his case it’s apparently just feels.
Thanks for taking one for the team
I’m not sure exactly what religion our Bible rejecting FRiend believes, but it certainly isn’t Christianity. It’s more or less Fatmanology. He believes what he wants to believe.and disregards the rest. La la la la la la la.
. If you are old like me, you’d know what that means.
Sometimes I just can’t believe some of the stuff I read from long term Freepers. The world has gone crazy and it’s taking a lot of people with it.
You must be very lonely or very naive. ;)
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