Posted on 07/28/2021 11:59:49 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
This is a blog post from Dark Horse. It suggests there are new disasters that vaccination is going to increase.
No vaccine is 100%. The smallpox vaccine is about 95% effective. That was good enough to wipe smallpox off the face of the Earth. The pertussis (Whooping Cough) vaccine is about 80% effective. Know any kids with Whooping Cough these days? The COVID-19 vaccines block most infections. The Delta variant has increased resistance to both the vaccines and to immunity from natural infection. More reinfections are being observed with the Delta variant around the world. It's still uncommon, but it's definitely much higher than it was before Delta.
"First it was one injection, then 2 injections and now three injections"
This is outright false. Pfizer and Moderna are now - and have been since day 1 - two injections. J&J is now - and has been since day 1 - one injection. There are studies to determine whether a booster or a variant-specific shot would be useful, but no COVID-19 vaccine has more than two shots and none of them have changed since day 1.
The polio vaccine requires four doses for you to be considered fully vaccinated. By your standards here, the polio vaccine is garbage. Know anyone who's had polio in the US recently?
What is has to do with is “ordering” people to do as the government tells you to when it comes to their bodies when there is evidence that what they’re ordering you to do may kill you or maim you. American blood has been shed since 1776 to give us the right to be free.
Ordering people to get an experimental drug or lose their job or restrict where they go and what they do is what happens in dictatorships.
“No offense but that’s a video which is different than a blog post. Maybe you meant podcast?”
I’m one of those late adopters. Until they took it away, I had a black, plastic phone with a silk covered cord. Podcast, blog post...it’s all Greek to me.
What exactly would you call a “traditional vaccine”?
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A “traditional” vaccine uses a dead or attenuated form of the virus to provoke an immune response. The Covid vaccines use mRNA, which then instructs the host body’s ribosomes to construct the spike protein component of the virus, which then provokes the body’s immune response.
One of the unexpected issues seems to be the mRNA is not staying in the cells near the injection site, but ending up in other places like body’s bone marrow, heart, lung, and brain. This means when the body mounts an immunization defense, it will attack and destroy the “infected” cells. This is fine when the infected cells are muscle tissue as those cells are easily replaced. Not so with cells like bone marrow or brain tissue.
FDA didn't begin doing any sort of regulated clinical trials until 1961, after both vaccines were already mass deployed around the US. The "trial" for the Salk polio vaccine was that they injected it into 624,000 schoolchildren to see what would happen.
"Were they brand new technology?"
Yes, they were. But mRNA vaccines have been in development for over 35 years. This isn't new. It's been better studied and developed than either the smallpox or polio vaccines. Back then, we just tried stuff. If it killed people; oh well. Don't give it to more people and try something else.
"Were they still in clinical trials when they released them to the masses?"
All drugs continue clinical trials after release to the public. Typically, clinical trial participants are monitored for years after the clinical trial data is reported to continue looking for any signs of problems.
"Trials for Moderna/Pfizer will be complete in 2022/2023."
Yes, this is normal stuff. The EUA was granted from the Phase 3 clinical trial data, which became available in November 2020. EUA isn't some new thing they invented for COVID-19 vaccines. Dozens of new medicines get EUAs every single year. A lot of them are new cancer drugs. FDA publishes a list each year of all the new EUAs and which ones have expired.
Look up 1976 Swine Flu.
My hubby had an organ teacher who was struck by Guillain-Barre with paralysis.
Luckily he nor his mom had any problem.
Many also say this is new...mRNA. Different from “traditional”. I don’t know what it all means but that is the word. In fact the van makers are proud of that.
I am not anti-van at all. But don’t trust a rushed process. Especially for a disease with a 2% at worst fatality rate. Not worth the gamble.
Troubled that many people, even on this forum think they are actually approved vaccines - sigh. They are treatments in an experimental phase and you must know this. If cognitive dissonance forces people to continue to call them vaccines then there is no reasoning with you.
Lets hope the many scientists who urge caution for very legitimate reasons have unfounded concerns. Most of these scientists simply agree there needs more time for testing. For those vaxxed - well welcome to the experiment.
The idea of the government (elected officials who couldn’t pass the intro USPS exam) telling us what we can or cannot do with health concerns? If they want to inject some sewage into their systems, let them. Leave us out of your experiments.
I'm really surprised that no one has brought this up. The COOF is closer to the common cold and flu than it is small pox or polio. Where is the vaccine for the cold? Where is are the mandates and lockdowns of healthy people for the flu? Due to its nature, the COOF is endemic, just like the common cold and will never go away. Well, maybe not never; definitely not in our lifetimes. This whole thing has gone WAY beyond medical concerns, and has plunged headlong in to a manufactured crisis facilitating tyranny and oppression. You can defend the "expert's" science on the COOF all you want, it won't change that fact.
So a tetanus shot isn't a "traditional vaccine" and can't be trusted? The Hib vaccine isn't "traditional" even though it's been around since 1987? The pertussis (Whooping Cough) vaccine (part of the DTaP combo) isn't a "traditional vaccine"? Meningococcal disease? Shingles? Diptheria?
None of those fit your definition for a "traditional vaccine". In fact, very few vaccines available today fit your narrow definition because we have better, safer ways to make vaccines. Your view of vaccines is outdated by decades.
"The Covid vaccines use mRNA, which then instructs the host body’s ribosomes to construct the spike protein component of the virus, which then provokes the body’s immune response."
This is very accurate. I'm impressed. Bravo!
"One of the unexpected issues seems to be the mRNA is not staying in the cells near the injection site, but ending up in other places like body’s bone marrow, heart, lung, and brain. This means when the body mounts an immunization defense, it will attack and destroy the “infected” cells. This is fine when the infected cells are muscle tissue as those cells are easily replaced. Not so with cells like bone marrow or brain tissue."
No pathogen sits just in muscle tissue. All of them infect any cell they're able to and travel around the body to do so. Your body is very much used to hunting down foreign things and killing them all over. Any infection that you've ever had that was serious enough for you to notice (i.e. you had any symptoms whatsoever) was already all over your body and overwhelming your nonspecific immune system.
Minor infections are handled locally by macrophages and neutrophils. By the time you have generalized symptoms, dendritic cells have already become involved (because the macrophages signaled for help) and triggered all kinds of other things to try and slow down the infection while the specific immune system slowly ramped up.
The history of vaccines in this country and the world is rife with problems..
It’s not just one incident. It’s decades and decades of them.
Analysis: A short history of when vaccines went bad
https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Analysis-A-short-history-of-when-vaccines-went-15530841.php
Are you having cognitive dissonance because there is a glimmer of an idea in the back of your head you screwed the pooch taking the vax? Based on your vociferous defense of it it sounds more like you are trying to convince yourself you were right rather than us. (You said you don’t care if we take it or not.)
I honestly hope you were right but I also have that nagging feeling something is wrong with it and so have not taken it. I wish you luck because even given your arguments you know this is not like the other vaccines. Not tested long term plus it is new tech.
I pray you don’t blue screen one day due to the “patch” that was applied to your operating system. (Yes I know mRNA is only supposed to produce proteins, but there are potential epigenitic things it may also do, never mind the spike proteins potential epigenitic and inflammatory effects.)
That’s nice that they allow people to get drugs via EUA, esp. cancer.
But you’re talking about FORCING ALL the population to take this EUA. As opposed to a few people wanting to try something to help their particular condition.
I use “force” loosely...there is obviously huge pressure for all unvaccinated to get these vaccines. Everywhere...news, ads, etc. Not just a doctor or family pushing someone to try something.
What is funny is I asked the exact same questions but I went out and did my research looking at both sides of the issue. Perhaps you should do the same.
FYI: I am Director of IT at a small SE corporation; not to brag but I an intelligent and rational person with a technical and scientific background. Too many times in the past I have provided links and citations only to waste my time on persons who were closed minded to other points of view.
Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche is an expert in vaccinations. Perhaps you should research who he is and why he believes what he does. There is also Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Michael Yeadon who have similar opinions.
The "common cold" is actually just a collection of symptoms caused by any of over 200 different viruses from multiple families. Most of them also mutate regularly. The complexity involved in tracking all of those viruses and creating and updating a vaccine for all of them makes it prohibitively expensive. There's no technical reason we couldn't make a cold vaccine right now, but would you pay $30,000 a year to avoid getting a cold? No? Neither will anyone else. Hence, no market. Hence, no vaccine.
"Due to its nature, the COOF is endemic, just like the common cold and will never go away. Well, maybe not never; definitely not in our lifetimes."
SARS2003 went away. MERS2012 went away. COVID-19 will too. It's just going to take more time because it's more effective at transmission. But it will go away, probably within 2-3 years in western countries. Obviously I agree we should not be doing lockdowns and shutdowns and all the rest of that nonsense while we wait for that. What we should be doing is everything we reasonably can to prevent transmission, protect the most vulnerable, and guard against severe illness and death.
We live in a time where people like you have the luxury to be so critical of vaccines because vaccines wiped out the childhood diseases that had people begging and pleading for something that would keep their kids from dying.
Those of us who remember what real childhood diseases were like are thankful vaccines have given today’s parents the peace of mind to sit around on Fakebook all day complaining about how terrible vaccines are rather than worrying about whether their child is going to end up paralyzed or dead.
Parents used to have real stuff to worry about.
The “buyers remorse” of the jabbed is sad. Those who promote the slop are ghouls and drug pushers.
I am? Really? Where have I once, ever, suggested forcing ANYONE to take these vaccines?
I have consistently stated that I want everyone to have the facts in front of them so they can make an informed, rational decision for themselves about what's best for their own health. I object to the fearmongering nonsense spread by people seeking to deny others their right to make a rational choice using emotional manipulation. Your accusation is false.
The “buyers remorse” is coming from the people who bought the anti-vax fearmongering who find themselves laying in a hospital bed with COVID-19 hoping they live.
Over 99% of the people dying from COVID-19 are unvaccinated. No buyer’s remorse about avoiding that risk.
They claim these "lessen the symptoms". The data is coming out that people who got the experimental treatments aren't building antibodies.
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