Joe Biden Includes Illegal Aliens in Census to Determine Congressional Seats, Electoral College Votes

Breitbart ^ | 01.20.2020 | Alana Mastrangelo

[CaptainKip]

“he claimed that the U.S. Constitution “clearly requires” illegal aliens to be counted for the purpose of apportioning congressional districts in states.”

This is absolutely not true.

Although it does say to count “all persons”...in the VERY NEXT SENTENCE it says that should someone who was counted lose their ability to vote after the census, that the apportionment must be adjusted accordingly to reflect the lower number.

Obviously, their desire was that only citizens be allowed to vote, so anyone with any common sense at all should be able to extrapolate that the census was to count voting citizens.

The necessary common sense to figure this out is probably too high a bar at this point though...

[MulberryDraw]

They corrupt everything they touch.

[Carl Vehse]

ChiComjoe Xiden and his traitorous Demonicrats have yet again given aid and comfort to the enemy.

[eeriegeno]

That would be a good designation - president joebama

[Liz]

Biden having the necessary common sense to figure it out is probably too high a bar at this point...

You got that right......

I heard Biden woke up this AM, walked over to the Congress, and took his seat in the Senate.....he forget he was president....cackle.

[Carl Vehse]

"Fed.gov should be sued for this"

Traitors should not be sued for treason. Traitors need to be tried, convicted, sentenced, and publicly hanged for treason.

[Colo9250]

Take it to SCOTUS, that will fix it.

For all those that think the above statement is correct please remember that SCOTUS is owned by the Biden crime family and in turn the CCP.

[aquila48]

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[DownInFlames]

Fake news. The census concluded in 2020. Won’t be taken again in 10 years.

[Pollard]

All sorts of news of what biden is doing or has already done

Remember when graham, mcconell and other top repubs wouldn’t let Trump do shit because meh russia?

repubs need to be wiped out

yeah, like with a cloth

[kiryandil]

Joe Biden's Handlers Include Illegal Aliens in Census to Determine Congressional Seats, Electoral College Votes

Fixed it.

[ridesthemiles]

Hollow victory, IMO. 2020 census is over...

Next one is 2030., Biden won’t be alive-—

With the election fraud this time around...who knows if we will even have Electoral Votes by 2030???

[Bellagio]

Biden is a complete moron. He never read the constitution and probably was a direct quote from some other moron he saw on CNN.

For a more comprehensive explanation that the Constitution makes no such requirement to count non-citizens...

The Constitution doesn’t require census of ALL persons outside the citizenship of their respective states but meant only to enumerate FREE CITIZENS for the purpose of awarding/removing representatives to congress. The manner in which the census is collected is governed by the laws of congress which may also include non-citizens for statistical data. So no, “free persons” is inferred as “free citizen” within the meaning of Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 to meet qualifications for representation.

1787 constitutional convention debates & Federalist papers... the terms “persons”, “free persons”, “inhabitants” or “residents” was routinely interchanged in use to mean “FREE CITIZEN” for census.

Article I, Sec 2, Clause 3: “Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons... The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.”

Before slavery was abolished: Federalist Papers 54 (Feb 12, 1788) James Madison: “... for the measure representation, or of slaves combined with free citizens, as a ratio of taxation, that slaves ought to be.... excluded from representation which is regulated by a census of persons.”

[Jacquerie]

<>They corrupt everything they touch.<>

Democrats soil institutions.

[semimojo]

...the Constitution makes no such requirement to count non-citizens...

Your opinion may one day prevail but we’ve always counted everyone and used that count for apportionment.

Trump was trying to change that but probably would have lost in court. Biden’s just going back to the status quo.

[Bellagio]

It’s not my opinion. It’s argued exactly that way with the clear intent of the founders in both Federalist Papers and convention 1787 great compromise. The idea to count non citizens was never intended, only when slaves were argued to be counted to gain representative advantage in the south. Slaves were always considered non-citizens. Then why would the founders use such a distinction if their intent was to count everyone with a heartbeat??

As far as YOUR opinion that “we’ve always counted everyone for apportionment...” is your assumption. The census was conducted every 10 years since 1789 that took into consideration that only self identifying citizens would participate.

The census was always intended for identifying citizens, not to count a herd.

Trump was correct. He was returning the census back to its original intent.

[semimojo]

The census was always intended for identifying citizens, not to count a herd.

You can say you know the original intent but that doesn't change the fact that we've always counted (or tried to) everyone, and used those counts for determining representation.

Trump proposed a major change from the way we've always done it, regardless of the framers' intent.

[Bellagio]

"You can say you know the original intent ..."

I can say?? Good grief that is so dense

IT IS the original intent. And it's all there in black and white. But over the ages, you have been fed a corrupt version of its intent/truth. You've only been 'TOLD' what is assumed truth by others who share the same ignorance passed unto them.

"... but that doesn't change the fact that we've always counted (or tried to) everyone, and used those counts for determining representation."

Because we've followed like sheep a flawed/unlawful process in tabulating a national census... makes it OKAY?

'WE' DO NOT try to count non-citizens... it is the corrupt goal of politicians and those complicit who do so. They manipulate/game the census for a political advantage. And their response is obviously going to be...

'ALL PERSONS must be counted because we are a country of immigrants an no person is illegal!'

Too funny! It is the same BS the Democrats try to sell 'WE' in a national election... 'ALL VOTES must be counted because No person is illegal!'

Regardless of being illegal, dead, fraudulent, digital, pets, or cartoon characters. Indeed, to a Democrat there IS NO SUCH distinction between citizen/non-citizen, dead/alive, or real/fantasy when they need 'VOTES' to hold power! The intent is OUTCOME. And it is the same page out of the same playbook when non-citizens are tabulated in a census that will determine the outcome of apportionment. The intent is OUTCOME. Inflating the numbers by including that which is not lawful to include to effect an advantage or to win an election... that is the definition of FRAUD!

US House is a representation of US citizens, period.

A clear and understood distinction was insisted upon in 1789 convention that argued who would be counted in census. Slaves were deemed 'non-citizen.' All such other were free-citizens.

1787 constitutional convention debates & Federalist papers... the terms "persons", "free persons", "inhabitants" or "residents" were routinely interchanged(synonymous/alias) in use to mean "FREE CITIZEN" for the meaning of census.

But you don't think with any such critical resolve by referencing history, debates, argument or even the exact words of our founders who knew damned well what was obvious and self-evident in their argument and intentions. And we didn't need a SCOTUS ruling to make that which was unquestionable in its use and intent in the Federalist Papers and the 1787-89 convention debates.

"Trump proposed a major change from the way we've always done it, regardless of the framers' intent."

Regardless of intent?? "the way we've always done it"??

Really??? LOL! Do you look in the mirror and see a sheep? You make another ridiculous dense comment of surrender to the status quo. Trump proposed NO changes, but only asserted compliance to conform to the obvious in which the census was intended for, CITIZENS. Conducting a census under a 'supposed intent' that disregards the 'evident intent' consistent with the census purpose IS NOT changing anything. It's applying the law.

Using that logic, then it's okay to claim laws, regardless of original intent, as meaningless to follow once the masses have been swayed/brainwashed into believing that laws are defined by subterfuge and political dodge by the status quo. Indeed, government will always play misdirection and with scheming rhetoric to convince you the laws are what they say it is.

Your responses sounds like CNN. Nothing but talking-points. Parroting the same assumptions passed down from others before you(elected officials or private citizens) who are not concerned with reason, truth or intent... only that the simpletons must trust the 'truths' fed to them by those of the pretentious status-quo, meant only to manipulate/lull the masses into believing what is proper/lawful.

The status quo is simply... don't verify/question the 'truth' you are told by your government, you are not allowed to think. Just shut-up and sit down.

Government is not the oracle of truth or trust... they are the mouthpiece of mischief, propaganda, lies, sophistry and malfeasance.

You want to keep your head buried in the sand and allow our congress to be corrupted with representation of NON-citizens that could mean who controls government, its power, its influence, laws and spending... go right ahead and be complicit to our downfall.

By being dismissive... by accepting/believing what the political status quo purports, and refusing to see our national census manipulated/corrupted as a means to benefit the pockets & power of a nefarious few, is not being a patriot, but the exact opposite.

[semimojo]

Because we've followed like sheep a flawed/unlawful process in tabulating a national census... makes it OKAY?

I'm not making a value judgment, I'm saying it's reality.

Slaves were deemed 'non-citizen.' All such other were free-citizens.

So count everyone but slaves. Including those who just wandered across the border or managed to catch a ship here.

By your own admission the framers wanted to count everyone. The fact is there was no such thing as an illegal immigrant in those days so presuming to guess how the framers would have reacted to subsequent immigration and naturalization laws is a fool's errand.

It is instructive that none of subsequent naturalization acts spoke to or attempted to modify the census criteria. Instead, every administration continued to execute the census based on the plain words of the framers.

You can rail about how everyone but you is a sheep and you're the only one who really understands the Constitution, but so far that hasn't been an effective strategy.