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The Trump/Raffensperger Call Highlights That Make Trump's Point: The Important Context (about "needing 11,780 votes")
Red State ^ | 01/04/2021 | Nick Arama

Posted on 01/04/2021 4:09:56 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Liberals have been melting down over a call President Donald Trump had with the Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

The media ran a story, using a four minute clip of the call, claiming Trump was trying to get Raffensberger to “find” more votes for him, essentially implying Trump was doing something improper.

Of course, 24 hour rule with anything like this that the media runs. It’s virtually always spin/debunked within 24 hours and no one who has been listening for the last four years should ever fall for it. It always comes out that it’s being spun.

Same holds true for this case, as we reported earlier. The call was actually an hour long call dealing with the suit that the campaign has brought against Raffensberger. It wasn’t a private conversation with Trump and Raffensberger, it was a call with all the attorneys, Mark Meadow online, trying to come to a settlement over that lawsuit. The purpose of the lawsuit was to have Raffensberger comply with their requests for information regarding the various allegations of fraud and irregularities.

Trump isn’t asking for Raffensberger to produce votes out of the air, he’s saying, ‘Look here are all the problematic issues/ballots, if you say that there weren’t issues there, can you produce your evidence? Otherwise, see the evidence we have. Sit down with us and see what we have. Recognize we’re showing you evidence of thousands of votes with issues, more than enough to overcome the difference.’

This is particularly clear in the final minute of the tape where Trump tells “Brad” that they’re just looking to get to the truth.

🚨LISTEN TO THE FINAL 1-MINUTE🚨
…of the call between @realDonaldTrump & GA Secretary of State Raffensperger

🇺🇸President Trump: "We just want the truth. Let the truth come out" pic.twitter.com/ra1tt8Vp8u

— The Panda Tribune (@PandaTribune) January 3, 2021

Trump Team asks GA's office to can go over the data together to see why their illegal vote analyses are different

GA Sec. of State's office says they're not sure if they can share the data

President Trump responds (rhetorically): "…but you can have a phony election?"🤣😅🤣 pic.twitter.com/ZECRaF44nj

— The Panda Tribune (@PandaTribune) January 3, 2021

Team Trump (lawyer): says he requested (6 times) for the GA state department's "internal numbers"

Team Raffensperger (lawyer): "there are things under law we are not allowed to give out"

President Trump: "Under law you're not allowed to give out faulty election results!"🤣😂 pic.twitter.com/OYKDRXqtzy

— The Panda Tribune (@PandaTribune) January 3, 2021

Important Context (about "needing 11,780 votes")

Trump: explains that he's not giving Dominion a "pass," but that (for the purposes of this discussion) he doesn't need to get into that because they only need 11,780 votes & have already provided evidence of WAY more than that pic.twitter.com/JtJzphNdBe

— The Panda Tribune (@PandaTribune) January 3, 2021

Team Trump (lawyer): explains how they have "hard numbers" showing 24,000+ illegal votes & that the've checked these numbers with 3+ different experts & chartered accountants

He then makes a manifestly reasonable request for both sides to sit down & go over the numbers together pic.twitter.com/K20B6zqGI8

— The Panda Tribune (@PandaTribune) January 3, 2021

They’re saying: look here’s our evidence, we want to show it to you. Raffensperger is nope, sorry, not going to bother. Why wouldn’t they want to do that and just clarify the issue unless there was in fact something they were trying to hide?

But once again, media/Democrats want to spin this into something it isn’t. Indeed the very leaking of the tape rather than addressing Trump’s questions proves his point that there’s animus and a problem there.

What’s actually quite funny about the WaPo providing the full tape on this and the media focusing on this now, is that they’ve now putting a spotlight on many of the allegations that Trump and the campaign have been making all along, that he lays out on the call in great detail. Without the media trying to make something out of this call, they wouldn’t have highlighted the allegations which Trump has been trying to get highlighted now, for weeks.

There’s nothing in the conversation that’s improper on the part of Trump. What is improper, as indeed he puts it, is trying to certify an election that has so many questions that need to be answered.



TOPICS: Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: election2020; georgia; potus; raffensperger; trump; vote; voterfraud

1 posted on 01/04/2021 4:09:56 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

4 Jan: The Hill: Loeffler to challenge Electoral College results Wednesday
By Jordain Carney
“I will vote to give President Trump and the American people the fair hearing they deserve and support the objection to the Electoral College certification process,” she said in a statement...

Loeffler is not expected to sign on to the effort from Cruz, but instead offer her own objection. She is likely to object to the certification of Georgia’s votes, according to a person familiar with Loeffler’s thinking, who added that she could also object to additional states...

Loeffler, in her statement, argued that there were “real concerns” about the 2020 election and she would reintroduce a motion to create a commission to review the election...
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/532605-loeffler-to-challenge-electoral-college-results-wednesday


2 posted on 01/04/2021 4:12:30 PM PST by MAGAthon
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To: SeekAndFind

President Trump is head of the Republican party, why shouldn’t he want more votes? It’s his job to recruit for the party, unless you want another do nothing Paul Ryan who works for Paul Ryan.


3 posted on 01/04/2021 4:25:00 PM PST by chopperk (Warnocdrk doesn't have a chance if Stacy sits on him.)
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To: SeekAndFind; All
I heard the clip yesterday as I walked by a TV and I didn't hear anything crazy from Trump. This seemed like the kind of leftist projection we've seen throughout Trump's time as president. "Oh he must be improperly influencing like a mafia don." Wasn't that Comey's excuse trying to entrap Trump? The man is not a professional politician or a lawyer and THANK GOD for that. It's been a breath of fresh air not having to parse every phrase that is gleefully parroted by the partisan press.

This is why Coulter so beautifully said Trump's supporters take him seriously, not literally. It's why he's been absolutely right to call "fake news the enemy of the people" (a quote they can't get accurate along with the Charlottesville response).

We just saw most of a year of him being called a crazy liar saying "vaccine by end of the year" and now he's being attacked because Warp Speed is "too slow."

I'm happy I watched it all unfold by sitting through the ridiculous WH press briefings, the round tables, etc. I knew what was a lie, what was the truth. I knew what spin was happening by the media.

4 posted on 01/04/2021 4:27:44 PM PST by newzjunkey (Purdue in GA for the Senate - Vote Giant Meteor in 2022)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just heard on OAN that Federal Agents seized ballots in Fulton County.


5 posted on 01/04/2021 4:34:00 PM PST by Robert DeLong
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To: chopperk; All
I'm not sure you're understanding. The press are claiming Trump was trying to get Raffensperger to do something illegal & immoral, just give ballots not legitimately due Trump to Trump while Trump was just trying to make the point they have evidence of twice as many ballots being improper as the difference in the election.

The statement was not in proper context of the call so made to look like a thing that it wasn't because that's the partisan press narrative (Orange Man Bad).

They're even comparing Trump to Hitler (literally making the comparison) and saying he's exhibiting a "bunker mentality," etc.

Should he have won reelection? YES. If not for Covid, I suspect that would've been a lock. I generally believe the Dems scammed & manipulated the system while intimidating low information voters into voting for their candidate.

In GA it feels like you can't go 10 feet without Ossoff/Warnock signage in English & Spanish. They are walking door to door. Many mail boxes have been vandalized in my community, including mine. I wonder what the motivation was. Was it political?

6 posted on 01/04/2021 4:35:13 PM PST by newzjunkey (Purdue in GA for the Senate - Vote Giant Meteor in 2022)
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To: Robert DeLong

RE: Just heard on OAN that Federal Agents seized ballots in Fulton County.

Are these agents the good guys ( the ones who seize them to investigate fraud ) or the bad guys ( the ones who seize them to cover-up fraud)?


7 posted on 01/04/2021 4:35:19 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: Robert DeLong

I do watch and like OAN but we need another corroborating source. You just can’t trust one single source these days... 😉


8 posted on 01/04/2021 4:49:19 PM PST by Zwerni1
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To: newzjunkey

What do you mean “mailboxes vandalized”? What is the purpose in that?


9 posted on 01/04/2021 4:51:48 PM PST by Zwerni1
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To: SeekAndFind

Very good question. 👍


10 posted on 01/04/2021 4:56:22 PM PST by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Publik Skules/Academia -> The Farm team, for more Marxists coming. Infinitum.)
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To: Zwerni1

Posting blind..
Trading out the box ballots for Trump, of course, from those Unguarded Zuckerberg ballot box locations.

(EXCEPT,for White Hats filming the criminals doing it, for the stupid people to Awaken. I hope that, anyway.)


11 posted on 01/04/2021 5:01:46 PM PST by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Publik Skules/Academia -> The Farm team, for more Marxists coming. Infinitum.)
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To: SeekAndFind

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12 posted on 01/04/2021 6:27:43 PM PST by sauropod ("No amount of evidence will ever persuade an idiot." - Mark Twain)
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